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Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?

JTGAlpha
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:19 pm
#183

One star all you want, it still doesn't change:


1) The fact that this is something that should be covered by the CURB where it could have been discussed and tested without this conflagration.


2) That it could have been postponed until the Revamp.


3) That we've given them AMPLE suggestions, all of which are better than this one


4) And that no one's bothered to answer any of these questions we have or explained why THIS desicion was better than any of the ones we gave them


5) Nor why they decided to fix this NOW, and call this a bug NOW, since we've been playing this way since launch.



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Dubolom
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:21 pm
#184






JustG wrote:

The intention is that you can be deathblowedwhile feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.


This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.





JustG, well, can you provive ONE example of how feign death would be useful after this "fix"?


In fact, I dare you to.


You might as well rename it to "I give up, kill me now" command, because doing FD will now be absolutely useless except give the opponent a better chance to kill you.





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TheFightingCorcoran
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:26 pm
#185

Oh no the sky is falling!

On nm, just a fix to a skill everyone abuses.
When everyone picks up xx1x smugg for FD just so they cant die, then u know thats a problem.

Its still a great skill in PvE.

Quit whining, seriously you should all be happy.


The IWIN button has been fixed thanks devs .




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TheFightingCorcoran
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:27 pm
#186



Dubolom wrote:


JustG wrote:
The intention is that you can be deathblowed while feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.
This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.


JustG, well, can you provive ONE example of how feign death would be useful after this "fix"?

In fact, I dare you to.

You might as well rename it to "I give up, kill me now" command, because doing FD will now be absolutely useless except give the opponent a better chance to kill you.






In PvE maybe?

Do I win?

(btw for you idiots who are missing the other half of your brain its effect in PvE is basically unchanged)




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SpaceCrazy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:28 pm
#187


Tiggs wrote:
Smuggler peoples,
This was a fix for bug that was/is happening. My apologies for the one-liner but it is a bit busy around here and I was trying to get you the information and juggle other things at the same time. At any rate, right now (on live) you can not be incapacitated while feigning. This is not as designed. We fixed this so that a person can be incapacitated while feigning.



So Feign Death has been broken since launch? This makes no sense. If it was a bug that a person could not be incapped while FD'd, then what exactly was the point of the special to begin with? I thought the entire point of FD was to "play dead" to avoid actually GETTING dead.



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JediNizar2
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:28 pm
#188







JustG wrote:

The intention is that you can be deathblowedwhile feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.


This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.





No sir!! this is not the Truth!!


the Truth is that FD was nerfed because of all the BH who are craying and making their petition, because teh Stupid Jedis that YOU devs mekd them soo powerfull use FD!!!! it's not because the GCW or the CU or any thing else....


Ok u nerfed one again a skill from the Smuggler... OK my question is what next???


Why do u don't just drop all the Smuggler Profession from theGame???


we don't have any use!!!... what? u say to sell spice?? well the chef buff are 1000x better! to sell Faction points?? In the last 1 year since I'm smuggler I only got 2 time a request to sell FP, the FP in the recruiter are too expansive, and there is no really use 4 the FP.


u say to speak all languages?? well every 1 can!!


Why SWG need any more Smuggler??? even the slice are more or less use less, (we can't shoose between the type of slice, the Pull out crate....)


in combat, now every move is useless, in PVP and PVE I got killed by every1



Why u just frop every combat Profession and just keep BHS the Stupid Jedi and fancer or TKA??!!!!


Give us at least something usable, give us what we want, give us at least your goal for the Smuggler???


Why do u hate us so much??


Hey I'm german and i think i understan the meaning of the word Feign Death more that u do!!!!!


Do u know how many player canceld the game lately??? 30 of my friends are gone, in my Guild we are only 12 now. I swear u that I will cancel my account at soon my money will end : the 29.03.05






Message Edited by JediNizar2 on 02-19-2005 01:29 AM

Message Edited by JediNizar2 on 02-19-2005 01:56 AM






Blixtev wrote:
Until the Producers decide otherwise, the game stay bugy how it is. and we will continue to nerf and ignore Smugglers





JTGAlpha
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:29 pm
#189

It's not an I WIN button. It never was. It can't be. It's a "DON"T KILL ME PLEASE!" button.


If I use it in PvP, you don't die, therefore I don't win.

If I use it in PvE, the MOB doesn't die (anymore) and I don't win.


I lose time. I lose health (blackbarring) I lose armor. I keep the Aggro. How is this an I win button again?



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TheFightingCorcoran
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:31 pm
#190



JTGAlpha wrote:
It's not an I WIN button. It never was. It can't be. It's a "DON"T KILL ME PLEASE!" button.
If I use it in PvP, you don't die, therefore I don't win.
If I use it in PvE, the MOB doesn't die (anymore) and I don't win.
I lose time. I lose health (blackbarring) I lose armor. I keep the Aggro. How is this an I win button again?





Um maybe because you can't die?

Genius conclusion there.

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mlfilms
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:33 pm
#191



The intention is that you can be deathblowedwhile feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.


This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.








Why did this take 13 major publishes to get fixed if it was such a bad bug?



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kethvalar
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:34 pm
#192







btw for you idiots who are missing the other half of your brain its effect in PvE is basically unchanged






Btw, for u, no matter as it'll be in PVE or in PVP. Eevrybody knows here Smugglers are Ubber Roxxors in PVP

We're just asking, us Smugglers, that this skill is for Master Smugglers eyes only. Or definitly removed from Jedi potential skill and abilities. But, it seems u've lost ur entire brain....



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smallspider
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:35 pm
#193


Not a PVP skill??


lol you have to think about it... Ifyou can db'ed after 3 incaps this means that in a pvp battleyou can feign death just before getting killed and your enemy has to wait 30-60 seconds between incaps to incap 3 times for auto-db... that means your teamates have about 3 minutes to come and helpyou out?

Andyou call that useless...

Heck when i near death and i get incapped its over cause i get db'ed right away...you have in a sense an db delay skill... i call that pretty usefull

Message Edited by smallspider on 02-18-2005 04:43 PM

Geevo
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:37 pm
#194

I just don't know what to say. I would say I am shocked, but I am not.


My first thoughts are way too negative (things like "When in doubt, nerf Smugglers") ... maybe I will post later after I reflect on this and we learn more.



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KnightHawk420
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:39 pm
#195






Undergrid wrote:





Smuggler_Caylin wrote:





Undergrid wrote:





JustG wrote:

The intention is that you can be deathblowed while feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.


This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.








So now we can get DB'd too? Even although I'm pretty sure the skill description says you cant... I hope to heck thats a typo..




Well I guess that will solve the griefing/black bar issue. I don't have to like it but I do understand it. I'll try to be optimistic as to a complete redesign of FD in the combat upgrade that remains useful in PvP and PvE.







Woop-de-doo, now we have a button that makes us lie down and let people kill us, excuse me if I'm not ecstatic about that.

Looking at reality a bit, this is all because of the Jedi and BH's that pick up enough smuggler to get FD then use it as a get-out-of-jail card, and moan about it in the forums when it gets used against them. Has anyone ever complained about a true smuggler FDing? I doubt it. And frankly I think I have a right to be pissed off when our class gets screwed over because of others that are dabbling.

2 years to spot and fix a "bug"? Frankly I liked it better when the Dev's were leaving us alone.





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