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Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?
MISTagent01 wrote:
01201986 wrote:
MISTagent01 wrote:
Seriously...it wasn't meant to be a PvP move anyway. You all need to stop acting like drama queens and focus. Bru is right, no smuggler worth their salt ever used this in PvP anyway. Coming from a fellow smuggler,I really do not appreciate that assumption. I as well as several master smugglers I knowhave used it in PvP.On the server I play on, the only Master Smugglers using FD have used it because they are afraid of dying. And to me, anyone that fears dying in this game (even Jedi) can cry me a river. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular (least of all you, because I do not know you,) but that is my opinion. As I said earlier, for me, I don't use it because I am afraid of dying. I use it in conjunction with FoW to avoid dying and stay in the fight.
Just stop the whining. Just stop. I see many more pissed off people than I see whiners in this thread. I know I'm pissed.But why be pissed when there is no reason to be? Devs lack of communication?I don't know about anyone else, but I'm used to that now. I'mmadfrom lack of communication on this, yes. But also because they hit us with the nerf bat because of the jedi. The largest point isn't that they say it was bugged/not working as intended(for two years? yeah right, give me a break).Once again, this was something they mentioned way back (if I'm not mistaken, I could be,) and also mentioned again at Fan Fest (so almost a year ago) that FD wasnever intended to be a PvP move.They say many things they do not mean nor intend to follow up on. If it really was an issue from that long ago, they should have fixed it long ago, or asked players what the best and fairest fix would be, and then make one from that. As I said earlier this wasn't even an issue until the jedi began misusing it.Ah, but it was, Jedi only brought it to prominence in PvP. ok, granted. But i would bet you my firespray that this would not have happened had it not been for the jedi. As a master smuggler who has used this in PvP, no one complains when I do, because I have invested many skill points in a worthless profession, so if I FD and then use FoW to get up, no one complains. Anyone with master smuggler is not much of a PvP threat anyways.So why even bother using FD? Why not go down, guns a'blazing? It's only 22 FP andPvP Ranking.Because I want to make the fight last longer, because as a smuggler I'm usually one of the first to go down for lack of defenses, but I want to fight. They dropped this on us with no warning whatsoever. They've done it before and they'll continue to do it.There is no needfor everyone to get their panties in a twist because of it. granted And instead of doing a fix that is fair to all, they nerf it into oblivion.Until I have seen thatyou are able tobe DB'd in PvE by red aggros, I stand beside my statement that, since it was never intended to beused in PvP, I feel they did the right thing.If they killed it in PvE too... I don't know if I can continue to hold onto it. A friend of mine who would have hit two years as a master smuggler in june is throwing in the towel.That's a shame, and I'm sorry for that, but everyone has a different threshold of tolerance.I am unbelievably close to joining him. Not because this is that aggravating of a nerf, but because it shows that the devs have no care or love for smugglers at all. It shows that the devs can and will still do things the community won't know about. That's all it shows. I think they are showing us love by doing this; how? By eliminating dabbler Jedi/FD Smugglers that abuse it. I don't know about you, but nothing angers me more than seeing a Jedi FD...he shouldn't be able to call himself a smuggler, and after this change, they dare not go near our profession. Good riddance to them, and hats off to the developers for fixing a problem that has been in game since launch. Lame that it took them 2 years to fix it, but it's fixed now and everyone needs to get over it. The development community isn't going to share every minute detail about game changes with the community...that's how it's always been, and how it always will be. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way in my posting, but I'm damned happy to see this get nerfed.
I agree, I hate that jedi dabble in our proff. If they wanted to eliminate jedi from using it there were many other paths they could have taken. This one hurts the jedi yes, but it also destroys any and all usefulness our combat skills had.
JTGAlpha wrote:
This is NOT about a fear of death, this is about the possibillity of another dead branch in our tree.
How is it a dead branch? It wont now work in PvP, as it shouldnt have anyway, why is it now dead?
Ohh im sorry, you have tested this have you?
I love how people have all the time to b!ich but no time to actually go and test it. So far Master Pistol, BH 3040, smugg 0040 and FD is working fine against every mob I have used it against, including two that say they should DB. Looking for NPC's as we speak.
Im a do'er not a whinner, I'll leave you lot to whine, I'll get you some cheese to go with it.
WesBelden wrote:
Believe it or not, it's a sign of their neck break speed/vast amount of work that they're doing in order to get publishes of this calibre out in time; when they can show us stuff before hand they do, when their timetable doesn't permit it, they can't.I must say that I feelI and all the other correspondents have been treated with respect.
LM wrote:
Man, Wes. This makes the abysmal "communication" between SOE and Smugglers even worse than I thought. I am truly sorry they have treated you with suchutter disrepect.
Lilac Moon
p.s. I think you meant "bear" with me, but the words "bum" and "bare" in consecutive sentences on the same line sure did make me grin heh
As for bear/bare, I'd say I meant it as a pun, but unfortunately I was typing as fast as my finger tips would physically allow anddidn't bother to check
I have absolutely NO doubt that they are working at breakneck speed; I have seen evidence of it myself and am thrilled that Gordon is in charge. He is quite a force. The amount of work they've been pumping out the last few weeks is impressive! Truly so.
HOWEVER: You can bet that someone or a group of someones met about and came up with that "fix" to the well-known and highly contentious problem with FD in PVP and BH/Jedi missions. And someoneelse most likely had to write up that "fix" at least a few days ago (likely longer) as part of a specification outlining what would be in this publish. TH, Gordon, and possibly Tiggs had to know it would be included, and their fingers ARE on the pulse of this community, despite how it sometimes appears. I know they are constantly reading the boards. They work hard.
So. They knew it was a very important fix, they knew it was a HUGE change. They knew it would affect Smugglers more than ANY other group (those picking it up for PVP or as a means to escape bounty hunters). They also know they have a history of letting down the Smuggler community, andof poor communication with the community at large (yes, they are working on that -- YAY!) and the Smugglers in particular.
You'd think, with all that as context, that SOMEONE at SOE would be on the ball enough to at least think "Hey. We are seriously changing one of three working combat specials that the Smugglers have because it was never meant for PVP. And the only solution we can come up with is going to also affect that skill in PVE. Smugglers are not too happy with us in the first place. Maybe we ought to talk to the correspondent about this change and find out how we can break the news in the best possible way. That way, we can deal with this thing head on in a'pro-active' way."
Perception is EVERYTHING.
So much grief could have been avoided. A bitter pill goes down better with a spoonful of sugar.
Disrespectful? OK, maybe that was harsh. Insensitive? What could we call it? Unskilled in the art of community relations? Untutored in diplomacy? I know they are all very intelligent, so it is not a lack of smarts, here.
OK. I am done for the day. I think. LOL.
Lilac Moon
Saabotage wrote:
Um, Just a thaught here!
My humble Devs!
What is the point of Feign Death of you can be put incapped by useing it? That is the sole purpose of Feign Death, is to keep you from dieing!
If the change is as read on the version thread then, it will take our ONLY USEFUL SKILL...... (WAIT FACTION IS WAY MORE USEFUL NOW!!!) One of our 2 useful skills and make it a moot ability as it won't help you at ALL!
Some how I feel as though right after Ii finished eating the carrot,I got hit with a STICK! Or a bat!
Please clarify!
Bru the fact is that the pistol specials are worthless (without pistoleer), and now FD has no use in PvP, and it might not in PvE either. still waiting to find out the deal on the pve issue
BruSwillis wrote:
How is it a dead branch? It wont now work in PvP, as it shouldnt have anyway, why is it now dead?
Ohh im sorry, you have tested this have you?
I love how people have all the time to b!ich but no time to actually go and test it. So far Master Pistol, BH 3040, smugg 0040 and FD is working fine against every mob I have used it against, including two that say they should DB. Looking for NPC's as we speak.
Im a do'er not a whinner, I'll leave you lot to whine, I'll get you some cheese to go with it.
Message Edited by 01201986 on 02-18-2005 07:08 PM
it took you 6 months or even more to earn back a little consideration and credidbility from smugglers, it only took a one liner post to break all your work.
For the clarification can we please have a real explanation of what happens in each case :
- you feign facing a non DBing mob.
- you feign facing a DBing animal.
- you feign facing a NPC.
- you feign in PvP.
In addition, can we have an explanation about the skill mod of feign death, what is his use now that the skill is supposed to be fixed?
You have to understand that we still haven't forgotten our history, please don't write another chapter with our guts and blood.
Rajtinka wrote:
We are Being Nerfed bc of Jedi Abuse... Not bc of how the Smuggler community used FD. THIS IS WRONG. Move the skill to the master box and leave it alone. I am a smuggler and I am Proud to be one. Dont punishthe SmugglersBC Jedi insist onAbusing this skill. And if a jedi wants to complain about my views... yes i have a Jedi unlocked dec 13 03 .. i have been through every change of that profession and i have NEVER used or even considered using FD. Instead ... i stay private and grind the way the devs intended. Stop Hating on Smugglers!! If you want to do something to our Profession... PLEASE fix crates... or better yet.... give us the revamp promised over a YEAR AGO NOW! Why would ID get arevamp before Smuggler anyway?? Well at least all 3 ID's on our server are happy. Too bad you cant find a smuggler to slice for you... i have said "NO" for months bc of the crates.
Just Frustrated,
Rajtinka
Master Smuggler/Marks/Rifle
Agreed I hate FD but that doesn't mean it should be removed and changed completely from it's current state. Make it a Master Skill and away goes the jedi abusing it.
Let me get this straight: if I feign death (fake death) and do a really bad job of it (roll of the dice) and my enemy notices this...why shouldnt he have every right to incap/deathblow me? I mean hell if I was fighting someone and I hit them with one punch and they fall on the ground dead...man I must have hit him hard...guess ill just walk away, guess hes dead. Hell no. Im beating the living hell out of him to make sure he aint faking. The skill was bugged, just because it doesn't allow you to avoid death by not letting a smart enemy kill you when your faking...that your problem. This goes for PVP and PVE. It just makes sense.