Smuggler Archive
Thread: Smuggler missions and why we need them?
tralita_tusnami
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:45 am
#170
WES
SUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH
Im working here and the majic 8ball says all signs point to "YES" so dont go screwing this up
magnum1138
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:46 am
#171
JFreeman wrote:I like this.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
EVERY ONE HERE IS BLIND, hell i jsut figured it out let me explain:TRALITA (A SMUGGLER) walks up to a standard mission terminal performs slice (WITH MOLECULAR CLAMPS AND LASER KNIFES BABY) and then turns on the deliver mission, but instead of jsut a standard low pay easy deliverly misson she sees deliverly mission(s) for 50k a pop with a CUT of the deliverly (SLICING LOOT) and sets off to preform the mission, picks up the deliverly and gets a waypoint on another plannet, with the cargo in hand (every single imperial or npc police with in 20 meters will immediatly agro) she heads out to deliver the goods. Is shot at in BESTINE but escapes, and delivers the cargo.later she takes another mission but slips up and is captured (INCAPED and cargo taken) and is set loose with a warning (3 strikes in 7 days and your out) upon her 3rd strike a bounty mission is placed upon her for 24 IN GAME hours, when the bh incounters her (100 meeters of her)she has 5 minutes to escape to a safe distance of 3000 meeters or off plannet.THIS SIMPLE SYSTEM USES CONTENT INGAME NOWand simply doesa few things, allows us to get our own loot, allows lower level BH to hunt other than NPC alowing for intresting match ups, and allows us smugglers to smuggle plane and simple how about that
These are the sorts of things we're looking at now - existing systems we can tie into the (incomplete) smuggling system in order to flesh it out.
Oh, Freman, Freeman, Freeman, FREEMAN
this one time please, take what you just said seriously - we can have this thing (the concepts like this) on the road by tommorow - if you only for once stick around - and take it in.
PLease, let us do this puzzle. We could do great things. Really.
But you have to help us helping you. Someone has to quickly evaluate the ideas (in forum) and let us refine.What can be combined what can't.
If you don't want to be creative - you don't have to - but you guys know things we can't know.
Let us help
Let us help.
But it only works if you don'T abandone us.
Be quick
Respectfully
Magnum
HOTDOG
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:47 am
#172
JFreeman wrote:
Oh no, we're not throwing it away. We're evaluating that system along with other systems in-game to determine what we can do to make a Smuggling system.
silversaber wrote:
So in other words, the smuggler system GM came up with in consultation with the Smuggler community got thrown in the trash because it took too much resources to completefor a single profession.
I want to believe you. But I can't. We were told that this thing was in the bag with the exception of dialogue. Now you are telling us it is being evaluted.
I just don't think this thing is going in. I trusted you for a long time and now it just sounds like you are trying to scramble something together- all the while you've been telling us that this is your highest priority and that it's just around the corner.
Meanwhile, a ton of other things are around the bin. Like the new FRS- another profession you devoted a group of developers to or some new expansions. I want to see these things, but this is not Smuggling being your highest priority.
Even if we WERE getting the mission terminal type missions that would be SOMETHING- but I really don't think you have the intention of doing this.
I don't believe you.
Oreet
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:49 am
#173
GanymedePharuu wrote:
ok... now before you go away, please note that getting missions from NPCs is 100 TIMES better than getting missions from terminals...
especially for Smuggling.
it doesn't feel very Smugglery when we're using the publicly accessable terminals.
/agree
maybe have a few NPCs around, like Jabba's Delivery and "Aquisitions" supervisor in his palace somewhere, and a similar NPC for Lady Valarian, and Borvo the Hutt, all established criminals in the game as it is. but basically make them sort oflike a Terminal, but everytime you talk to them, a new randomly generated mission would come up. Do the same for factions too. Maybe an Imperial officer needs some special "stuff" smuggled in, that technically isn't legal, but would help fight the rebellion.
possibly consider adding more factions, such as crime syndicates like The Black Suns, and i'm not sure if they are still around in this time period, but The Exchange from the KOTOR games.
Zeon_Zaku
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:50 am
#174
Yeah... but could we also get some use for starships in, especially POB ships? It may just be my oppinion, but a lot of a Smuggler's business should be done in space... most of the Smuggling and all that. Especially in POB ships...these should be the main "cargo haulers" for a Smuggler. But first, of course, POB ships would need to beenhancedto be able to be used easily in solo play.
JFreeman wrote:
I like this.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
EVERY ONE HERE IS BLIND, hell i jsut figured it out let me explain:
TRALITA (A SMUGGLER) walks up to a standard mission terminal performs slice (WITH MOLECULAR CLAMPS AND LASER KNIFES BABY) and then turns on the deliver mission, but instead of jsut a standard low pay easy deliverly misson she sees deliverly mission(s) for 50k a pop with a CUT of the deliverly (SLICING LOOT) and sets off to preform the mission, picks up the deliverly and gets a waypoint on another plannet, with the cargo in hand (every single imperial or npc police with in 20 meters will immediatly agro) she heads out to deliver the goods. Is shot at in BESTINE but escapes, and delivers the cargo.
later she takes another mission but slips up and is captured (INCAPED and cargo taken) and is set loose with a warning (3 strikes in 7 days and your out) upon her 3rd strike a bounty mission is placed upon her for 24 IN GAME hours, when the bh incounters her (100 meeters of her)she has 5 minutes to escape to a safe distance of 3000 meeters or off plannet.
THIS SIMPLE SYSTEM USES CONTENT INGAME NOW
and simply doesa few things, allows us to get our own loot, allows lower level BH to hunt other than NPC alowing for intresting match ups, and allows us smugglers to smuggle plane and simple how about that
These are the sorts of things we're looking at now - existing systems we can tie into the (incomplete) smuggling system in order to flesh it out.
But yeah... my feelings at that POB shipsshould have a large role in being a Smuggler. In other words, you should never catch a Smuggler without one, they shouldbe an almost needed neccessity (I probably spelled that wrong >>
for our Smuggling ventures.
Makris
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:51 am
#175
JFreeman wrote:
I like this.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
EVERY ONE HERE IS BLIND, hell i jsut figured it out let me explain:
TRALITA (A SMUGGLER) walks up to a standard mission terminal performs slice (WITH MOLECULAR CLAMPS AND LASER KNIFES BABY) and then turns on the deliver mission, but instead of jsut a standard low pay easy deliverly misson she sees deliverly mission(s) for 50k a pop with a CUT of the deliverly (SLICING LOOT) and sets off to preform the mission, picks up the deliverly and gets a waypoint on another plannet, with the cargo in hand (every single imperial or npc police with in 20 meters will immediatly agro) she heads out to deliver the goods. Is shot at in BESTINE but escapes, and delivers the cargo.
later she takes another mission but slips up and is captured (INCAPED and cargo taken) and is set loose with a warning (3 strikes in 7 days and your out) upon her 3rd strike a bounty mission is placed upon her for 24 IN GAME hours, when the bh incounters her (100 meeters of her)she has 5 minutes to escape to a safe distance of 3000 meeters or off plannet.
THIS SIMPLE SYSTEM USES CONTENT INGAME NOW
and simply doesa few things, allows us to get our own loot, allows lower level BH to hunt other than NPC alowing for intresting match ups, and allows us smugglers to smuggle plane and simple how about that
These are the sorts of things we're looking at now - existing systems we can tie into the (incomplete) smuggling system in order to flesh it out.
JFreeman - would it help if we gathered all of our best ideas on one spreadsheet and give them to you? I know we have masses of posts that would take an eternity to sort through.
tralita_tusnami
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:52 am
#176
i personaly dont like bh missions because well you HAVE to go to a spacific person to do the mission, its redundant. using MY system allows you to work from anywhere anytime you want, way more random and fun, but yes a few npc's would be fun also IF and only IF added to the mission terminals, maybe make the NPC MISSIONS HARDER and master smuggler level only
magnum1138
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:53 am
#177
You know what, let them scramble something together as long as it is stuff we helped to do.
If they go into their chambers, yes they will come out with crap.
But if they develope with us and ive input and - make it really (as in truthfully) a high priority - i could actually be worth something.
I don't think they have the gutts to do this, but it would work.
One guy with knowledge can change things in game fast(Blixtev and the BH missions as an example with the added creativity of the forums)
But it has to be more than a novelty and has to be taken serious by the DEVs and Management.
It would go a very long way in the MMO community as well - if SWG would do something like this with enthusiasm.
MAgnum
If they go into their chambers, yes they will come out with crap.
But if they develope with us and ive input and - make it really (as in truthfully) a high priority - i could actually be worth something.
I don't think they have the gutts to do this, but it would work.
One guy with knowledge can change things in game fast(Blixtev and the BH missions as an example with the added creativity of the forums)
But it has to be more than a novelty and has to be taken serious by the DEVs and Management.
It would go a very long way in the MMO community as well - if SWG would do something like this with enthusiasm.
MAgnum
Smuggler_Caylin
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:55 am
#178
JFreeman wrote:
I like this.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
EVERY ONE HERE IS BLIND, hell i jsut figured it out let me
explain:
TRALITA (A SMUGGLER) walks up to a standard mission terminal performs
slice (WITH MOLECULAR CLAMPS AND LASER KNIFES BABY) and then turns on the
deliver mission, but instead of jsut a standard low pay easy deliverly
misson she sees deliverly mission(s) for 50k a pop with a CUT of the
deliverly (SLICING LOOT) and sets off to preform the mission, picks up the
deliverly and gets a waypoint on another plannet, with the cargo in hand
(every single imperial or npc police with in 20 meters will immediatly agro)
she heads out to deliver the goods. Is shot at in BESTINE but escapes, and
delivers the cargo.
later she takes another mission but slips up and is captured (INCAPED
and cargo taken) and is set loose with a warning (3 strikes in 7 days and
your out) upon her 3rd strike a bounty mission is placed upon her for 24 IN
GAME hours, when the bh incounters her (100 meeters of her) she has 5
minutes to escape to a safe distance of 3000 meeters or off plannet.
THIS SIMPLE SYSTEM USES CONTENT INGAME NOW
and simply does a few things, allows us to get our own loot, allows
lower level BH to hunt other than NPC alowing for intresting match ups, and
allows us smugglers to smuggle plane and simple how about that
These are the sorts of things we're looking
at now - existing systems we can tie into the (incomplete) smuggling system in
order to flesh it out.
If such a system is introduced I can only wonder if we will be actually
trying to disguise the fact we are smuggling cargo and using whatever abilities
we may possibly possess in order to do so, rather than simply walking down Park
Avenue with a grocery cart full of spice and giving the finger and a 'suck it'
motion to every law enforcement officer within 20 meters.
trying to disguise the fact we are smuggling cargo and using whatever abilities
we may possibly possess in order to do so, rather than simply walking down Park
Avenue with a grocery cart full of spice and giving the finger and a 'suck it'
motion to every law enforcement officer within 20 meters.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
Oreet
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:55 am
#179
tralita_tusnami wrote:
i personaly dont like bh missions because well you HAVE to go to a spacific person to do the mission, its redundant. using MY system allows you to work from anywhere anytime you want, way more random and fun, but yes a few npc's would be fun also IF and only IF added to the mission terminals, maybe make the NPC MISSIONS HARDER and master smuggler level only
my thoughts on the npc mission givers, is that i wouldn't want it to be like a theme park kind of thing, where after doing 3 or 4 missions they are done with you forever. Jabba's always going to have stuff to smuggle in and out. the rebels will always need crates of weaponry smuggled past imperial blockades, so they need to have an almost mission terminal feel, where you can ALWAYS get mission from them, but yes, make them hard, and have your Underworld level determine what missions you can, and can't take.
Nezodon
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:56 am
#180
Oreet wrote:
GanymedePharuu wrote:
ok... now before you go away, please note that getting missions from NPCs is 100 TIMES better than getting missions from terminals...
especially for Smuggling.
it doesn't feel very Smugglery when we're using the publicly accessable terminals.
/agree
maybe have a few NPCs around, like Jabba's Delivery and "Aquisitions" supervisor in his palace somewhere, and a similar NPC for Lady Valarian, and Borvo the Hutt, all established criminals in the game as it is. but basically make them sort oflike a Terminal, but everytime you talk to them, a new randomly generated mission would come up. Do the same for factions too. Maybe an Imperial officer needs some special "stuff" smuggled in, that technically isn't legal, but would help fight the rebellion.
possibly consider adding more factions, such as crime syndicates like The Black Suns, and i'm not sure if they are still around in this time period, but The Exchange from the KOTOR games.
I agree i would love to personaly go to jabba's palace and talk to one of his representitives to get a missions or which ever criminal bigwig I want to get a job from.
Oreet
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:57 am
#181
Oreet wrote:
tralita_tusnami wrote:
i personaly dont like bh missions because well you HAVE to go to a spacific person to do the mission, its redundant. using MY system allows you to work from anywhere anytime you want, way more random and fun, but yes a few npc's would be fun also IF and only IF added to the mission terminals, maybe make the NPC MISSIONS HARDER and master smuggler level only
my thoughts on the npc mission givers, is that i wouldn't want it to be like a theme park kind of thing, where after doing 3 or 4 missions they are done with you forever. Jabba's always going to have stuff to smuggle in and out. the rebels will always need crates of weaponry smuggled past imperial blockades, so they need to have an almost mission terminal feel, where you can ALWAYS get mission from them, but yes, make them hard, and have your Underworld level determine what missions you can, and can't take.
by the way, hopefully my posts here are not out of line. i've never been a smuggler, but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in, as you guys are GREAT, and have the patience of a saint. hopefully one day, SWG can realize the era of the Smuggler.
Wyzchekyfirearms
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:59 am
#182
I nice start to giving the Smuggler's some content with an already in-place system could be to give us the ability to Slice Bounty Hunter Terminals to gain the ability to do their mid-higher level NPC (non-player) missions that can potentially get us some of this nice Smuggler Slicing loot that has been surfacing from the current BH missions.
*wink wink*
er.. i have an emote for that eh,
-Edit-
Think of this as giving us the ability to Smuggle BH Mission's off of the terminals
QFE I like this idea alot as well. and JFreeman you have NO idea how much we all really do appreciate the time you have spent in here with us. Now granted some of the news wasn't exactly what we were hoping to hear BUT at least you took the time, to actually come talk with us a little bit. I am completely happy with that. Also the post a few up about integrating the smuggler missions in with what is existing is wonderful. These sort of things Can be done with little resources because they are already IN game. And please see if there is a way to put this sort of thing InConcept and not have it deleted on us so we can help with it. We want to help fix things. We REAALLLYYY want to help if it will get it fixed and actually give us some content. Right now I'm just all giddy cuz we actually got you in here talking with us. Makes me feel like you guys actually MIGHT want to go through with it and help us get our content.
Wyzcheky