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Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?
Jedi Padawan
Rebel Colonel
) info, so the following is my completely uninformed opinion, however, it seems a shame to completely eliminate the usefulness of this skill in PvP. Could it not have been "fixed" by simply adding a timer? After all, one can only feign death for so long. In this manner a Master Smuggler might be able to feign death for five minutes while they wait for reinforcements, but not stay that way forever. This would, in my opinion at least, remove the "invulnerability button" aspect of feign death while still leaving it a useful skill.EnigmaBSc
Message Edited by EnigmaBSc on 02-18-2005 03:22 PM
WesBelden wrote:
Guys, this bit me on the bum at the same time it got you; I'm trying to find things out and hopefully I'll get a response. Bare with me...
Man, Wes. This makes the abysmal "communication" between SOE and Smugglers even worse than I thought. I am truly sorry they have treated you with suchutter disrepect.
Lilac Moon
p.s. I think you meant "bear" with me, but the words "bum" and "bare" in consecutive sentences on the same line sure did make me grin heh
I was master smugler for 3+ months and am a TKM / Master commando / smugler 1,0,1,0 and do PvP some. Never have I nor will I ever use FD in PvP because it is worthless and waists every ones time. I do however use it quite regularly in PvE and it workes like a charm. Only problem was the enemys staying argoed. This "Fix" should fix that while keeping people who are to stuborn to know when they have been beat in PvP from waisting every ones time.
01201986 wrote:
I did thank you very much, and many other smugglers did too. plz refrain from opening your mouth on a subject you obviously know nothing about
BruSwillis wrote:
Good to se this fixed.
NO SMUGGLER WORTH HIS OR HER SALT EVER USED THIS IN PVP ANYWAY.
Undergrid wrote:
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
So you know, curb testers know nothing about feign death as it stands. I've pushed for information from the beginning and haven't received a shred. We had a problem on a global scale that had to be resolved. This was a simpler change than reworking the whole skill. The reworking should and hopefully is taking place in the CURB. I don't like it anymore than you folks do but that's where I am going to spend my energy in making this a better game.
Great idea Caylin, thats the right attitude to let the Dev's know they can walk all over us whenever they like with no resistance.
My opinion may be different if they devs had done anything good for us that might actually outweigh the nerfs, but they havn't.
I respect you a ton for all you have done Caylin and always will but I have to agree with the above poster. If this is a CURB problem, why not leave it as is until it is all resolved. It wasn't a global issue here was it? Why the heck do they keep taking and taking and taking and never giving back to one of the iconic proffesions. They liftedour artificial FP cap? Ok so now tell me how that really really helps us before the CURB... and now think about how much losing FD will hurt a good many smugglers (we are infact losing it as it is now going to be pointless). This was one of our few ways of defending against stacking that is a global issue don't you think?
At least you have more access to see what they plan for us in the CURB for a role. I could careless about FD if I knew what our role of *censored* (as I know what the term is from a mislink earlier that was quickly deleted). We have NOTHING to look forward to. Revamp? Hah... it keeps getting pushed back for iconic chef's and ID's (no offense to you all meant in any way). We are a prof that is well known in all of the movies and books yet keep getting the slap in the face and broken promises.
They need to know that this is asinine and completely and utterly unfair to take one of our skills to a pointless level. It only takes common sense to know that now they have decided to do this with the new tef system so that jedi can't feign one on one with a BH because now with no group tef's there will be no way to posture them back up. This fix nerf is primarily about jedi vs. bh. How often did you ever see rants about "Man nerf the smuggler, this master smuggler just feigned on me!". You won't find many of these as no one got mad about it or attention drawn to it until knights started popping up all over the place like the plague.
Oh well, I appologize if I seem ticked off, but I am as I am sick and tired of waiting for some myth of a revamp while they slowly pluck out our skills and do not make additions.
Everyone can smuggler in JtL...Well different game they say, yet pilot faction will now affect ground. Our drugs are like sweet tarts and chef's sweet tart's are like heroin now... anyone seen a gunfighter run by blasting away and throwing down a good piece of steak mid combat? We are forced to use prereqs pistol and unarmed, yet we only get Mit I for ranged and melee defense... we are a combat class based on prereqs. A master smuggler with nothing else would not have an easy go of any mid-level hybrid combat prof. Where are our defense mods and where are our pistol mods or unarmed mods? All of this I assume the CURB will fix, but well, I assumed that they would care about the smuggler profession enough not to hit us low again before the CURB.
To heck with it... tired of reading this garbage and typing my rant... I'll go back and play slice monkey for a while and get ready to play easy fp for overts.
MISTagent01 wrote:
Jesus H Christ people, CALM DOWN.
Seriously...it wasn't meant to be a PvP move anyway. You all need to stop acting like drama queens and focus. Bru is right, no smuggler worth their salt ever used this in PvP anyway. Coming from a fellow smuggler,I really do not appreciate that assumption. I as well as several master smugglers I knowhave used it in PvP. I know I never did. With the GCW changes coming our way, FD isn't necessary for a Smuggler to delegate faction. WE DON'T NEED IT IN PVP. Why is that so hard to realize?
Honestly, I'm not a part of the CURB, I don't have access to the Corr. boards, and I'm on the other side of my PC, happy this change is going in.
I'm TIRED of Jedi abusing one of our skills. I'm TIRED of hearing a bunch of crap about "How FD needs to be nerfed in PvP, etc etc."
It was never supposed to be used in PvP, now it's pretty much guaranteed it will never be used in PvP.
Good job devs. (no sarcasm whatsoever)
Everyone whining needs to get over the fact that something that wasn't ever intended to be usedis being taken away from us. I agree 100% that the aggro area needs to be changed, but that is an entirely different issue than what is being fixed now.
Just stop the whining. Just stop. I see many more pissed off people than I see whiners in this thread. I know I'm pissed. The largest point isn't that they say it was bugged/not working as intended(for two years? yeah right, give me a break). As I said earlier this wasn't even an issue until the jedi began misusing it. As a master smuggler who has used this in PvP, no one complains when I do, because I have invested many skill points in a worthless profession, so if I FD and then use FoW to get up, no one complains. Anyone with master smuggler is not much of a PvP threat anyways. They dropped this on us with no warning whatsoever. And instead of doing a fix that is fair to all, they nerf it into oblivion. If they killed it in PvE too... I don't know if I can continue to hold onto it. A friend of mine who would have hit two years as a master smuggler in june is throwing in the towel. I am unbelievably close to joining him. Not because this is that aggravating of a nerf, but because it shows that the devs have no care or love for smugglers at all.
RagNoRock5x wrote:
I was master smugler for 3+ months and am a TKM / Master commando / smugler 1,0,1,0 and do PvP some. Never have I nor will I ever use FD in PvP because it is worthless and waists every ones time. I do however use it quite regularly in PvE and it workes like a charm. Only problem was the enemys staying argoed. This "Fix" should fix that while keeping people who are to stuborn to know when they have been beat in PvP from waisting every ones time.
01201986 wrote:
I did thank you very much, and many other smugglers did too. plz refrain from opening your mouth on a subject you obviously know nothing about
BruSwillis wrote:
Good to se this fixed.
NO SMUGGLER WORTH HIS OR HER SALT EVER USED THIS IN PVP ANYWAY.
Rag, regarding your comment highlighted in orange: That is NOT true if the enemy deathblows... in that case, you are dead. PVP FD needed fixing. Not PVE FD. One of three working specials has been seriously nerfed in BOTH PVP and PVE... and nothing to make up for it. That is why people are upset.
Lilac Moon
BruSwillis wrote:
Like I said, no Smuggler worth his or her salt.
I've been a Smuggler from the day it was brought into the game in beta when we had to have eng4 as a pre-req which is where i got into Weaponsmithing as well. So, please refrain from opening your mouth on a subject you obviously know nothing about. You were one of the ones that used the "lame button" in PvP that has brought this about so zip it and ill stand by my comments.
Ok, I'll apologize fot the statement about opening your mouth. But your opinion makes assumptions that are just not true.
And of course you know me so well to know how I PvP is that right? The only time I used it in PvP was when i was near incap, then i used it to avoid a deathblow, and then used Force of Will to stand up and fight again. And you must know that FoW only works once every 24 hrs, so I could only pull this stunt one time in a battle. It is my opinion that someone who has invested skill points to master a worthless profession like this one should get to use the only combat skill it has. no master smuggler is a huge threat in PvP anyways
Message Edited by 01201986 on 02-18-2005 06:33 PM
JediGohan wrote:
If Jedi were the ones abusing it, maybe they should not allow Jedi to use it?
Did that ever cross their minds?
No it didn't. That would mean upsetting the Jedi.
Message Edited by kethvalar on 02-18-2005 03:39 PM