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Thread: Well guys.. we get shafted again..
Kynth wrote:
Thomen wrote:
Take a look here... Tiggs just mentioned that our revamp is postponed
No, that isn't what Tiggs mentioned:
Tiggs wrote:
We are currently focusing on fixing what is currently broke. New features will be move out to a longer term implementation.
A little further down the line, Tiggs also wrote that SOE are switching to a "Quality over quantity" approach to new Publishes. There's a difference between postponing and developing over a longer term.
We need to read between the lines here:
The majority of the community asked for existing bugs to be fixed over new features being added. SOE have quietly admitted here that their "deadline driven" and "release it anyway" approach is flawed and that they will be trying to take the "Quality of Quantity" approach from now on. We've got our wish! Really? Guess I missed it. Seems that all I have seen recently is cheapTwo Year Rewards.
The majority of the community wanted more communication from SOE, even if it was acknowledging bugs our giving a small hint of their development schedules. Tiggs has acknowledged bugs and effectively advised that new features will take longer to add to the game while SOEattempt to make sure thatas fewbugs as possible are added to the game with them. We've got our wish! Yep, Tiggs acknowleged that we wanted more communicaion...only problem is that after having the smugg revamp delayed for two years,and overtly setting it back again leads to frustration.
Am I disappointed that smuggler missions/revamp will be delayed? You betcha. Am I a little happier that when the smuggler missions/revamp happens it will be a more polished product? Absolutely, provided SOE stick to this new approach. Pass whatever you've been smokin to me, cause I see no smuggling missions in the near future. Deleted posts, etc. seem to justify my stance. And Lord I hope I am wrong here.
SOE have done something right here people and the game will ultimately be better for it as a result of this changein their approach to development, provided they stick with this new approach. Be happy! Meditate in front of your SOE alter all you want. I see no change for the overall good of the game,and nowpeople like Colonel Angus and Saarek won't be here to help me through my day
/Sit
/Meditate
/AwaitInevitableFlames
Kynth wrote:
Thomen wrote:
Well maybe, Oh Wise One..
Whoa! Didn't mean to offend Thomen. /bow
I'm a developer myself, though not linked with SOE in any way other than as a customer, and we normally get trapped between the customers and management when building systems so I must admit I have some sympathy for the Devs at SOE.
Dev speak-wise a Postponement is normallystopping all work until after an event, e.g. "We'll stop work onsmuggler revampuntil after we've finished FRS and then look at it again" which I consider a Bad Thing(TM). A "Longer term development" usually means work will continue, but will take more time. Not necessarily a Good Thing(TM) but means that work is still ongoing.
Read into the reasons behindit taking more time what you will,only SOE developers know the real reasons there. My own guessis whoever has the Smuggler revamp on theirlist of jobs has now been partly assigned to helping out with the bug fixes, and together with the emphasis being put on releasing quality code means we'll not see anything for a publish or so.
What I would like to see is some rough schedule information from SOE, if at all possible. Even just giving WesBelden an OK toconfirmthat Smuggler work is still ongoing would be fantastic. Who knows what Wes has been told but can't tell us due to an NDA...
I'mgenuinely curious as to the answer to this question though: Would fellow Smugglersrather have a bugged Smuggler mission system by the end of August, or a bug-free Smuggler system by October?
No offense taken, mate.. atleast not from your side. Sorry if it sounded this way.
You as a Developer would you willingly lie, break promises and just plain and simple tell your customers and clients some fancy crap to keep their mouth shut so that they pay their monthly fee? We wont see a Revamp in August, nor October.. i highly doubt that i will even come this year..
i m waiting 2 freaking years for this andall i got is: I didnt say it wasnt postponed either ™
/hangsHeadInShame
I admit that I was foolish. I did honestly believe that they were going to work on smuggler. I thought there would be something snuck into TC, we'd all be shocked and surprised, and we'd see it go live in the next month or two.
I guess not. Guess that means I'll be heading for the door.
As for shooting the messenger, I've been as quick to defend Tiggs as anyone in the past. I know she has a thankless job, but this is bullsh!t. If she doesn't agree with how we were being treated, she should quit. Otherwise, I can only assume that she agrees with SOE/LA's priorities and attitudes. She deserves it as much as they do. Sorry, but that's just the way I see it.
Thomen wrote:
You as a Developer would you willingly lie, break promises and just plain and simple tell your customers and clients some fancy crap to keep their mouth shut so that they pay their monthly fee?
I hope I wouldn't. What I mean is I'd like to think I'd always try to be as open as possible, best intentions and all.
Playing devils advocate for a moment though, I wouldn't tell the customers every new idea I was working on unless it was sure to launch. This would be to make sure competitors didn't stealone of ourideas at the concept stage and also so that customers weren't disappointed if we pulled the plug on an idea that wasn't working out.
This isn't what SOE have done here though, they did promise a revamp and it was looking pretty cool until the development posts disappeared.
DirtySteveStevens wrote:
Pass whatever you've been smokin to me
Kynth wrote:
Thomen wrote:
You as a Developer would you willingly lie, break promises and just plain and simple tell your customers and clients some fancy crap to keep their mouth shut so that they pay their monthly fee?
I hope I wouldn't. What I mean is I'd like to think I'd always try to be as open as possible, best intentions and all.
Playing devils advocate for a moment though, I wouldn't tell the customers every new idea I was working on unless it was sure to launch. This would be to make sure competitors didn't stealone of ourideas at the concept stage and also so that customers weren't disappointed if we pulled the plug on an idea that wasn't working out.
This isn't what SOE have done here though, they did promise a revamp and it was looking pretty cool until the development posts disappeared.
Well as far as i remember someone of the devs said on the Fan Fest that the revamp is almost done except quest texts or so
Kynth wrote:
DirtySteveStevens wrote:
Pass whatever you've been smokin to me
I would but I can't smuggle it in...
I think it's fair to say we're all frustrated, disappointed and in need of a major announcement about averycool Smuggler Revamp.
Tiggs/WesBelden - Is there anything you can tell us? Pretty please?
They probably send Garva in to clean up/warn/ban.. wouldnt surprise me at all
DLC3007 wrote:
/hangsHeadInShame
I admit that I was foolish. I did honestly believe that they were going to work on smuggler. I thought there would be something snuck into TC, we'd all be shocked and surprised, and we'd see it go live in the next month or two.
I guess not. Guess that means I'll be heading for the door.
As for shooting the messenger, I've been as quick to defend Tiggs as anyone in the past. I know she has a thankless job, but this is bullsh!t. If she doesn't agree with how we were being treated, she should quit. Otherwise, I can only assume that she agrees with SOE/LA's priorities and attitudes. She deserves it as much as they do. Sorry, but that's just the way I see it.
Thomen wrote:
Well as far as i remember someone of the devs said on the Fan Fest that the revamp is almost done except quest texts or so
Yeah, I can't find any of the posts now but it's one of the things giving me hope at the moment. There were a large number of witnesses at the Q&A where this was said too.
I'm hoping someone at SOE has the job and it's just a case of they've found a few bugs that need ironing out before they push to TC.
Come to CoH. There's already a group of Smuggler Super-Heroes being formed there. Check this forum about it. I'll be there when I can drag my @$$ to a store to buy it.... maybe I'll have it delivered. That'd be easier....
BaronJuJu wrote:
I have no idea where I will head from here.....Smuggler was it for me. I will try a multitude of MMORPG's until I find something eventually, but I will always have a place in my heart for what SWG could have been.
dlc3007 wrote:
Come to CoH. There's already a group of Smuggler Super-Heroes being formed there. Check this forum about it. I'll be there when I can drag my @$$ to a store to buy it.... maybe I'll have it delivered. That'd be easier....
BaronJuJu wrote:
I have no idea where I will head from here.....Smuggler was it for me. I will try a multitude of MMORPG's until I find something eventually, but I will always have a place in my heart for what SWG could have been.
or come to EVE.. there atleast you can smuggle