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I sell a lot of stuff on the bazaar level 3 sheilds 6k space bombs 6k

I am still not master yet but even so some of the stuff I sell is pretty good and as I run my own extractors I can afford to sell high end components for low low prices.
(and yes my ship is fitted with half crafted parts by me and have looted parts)

"3.) Engines. Always looking for a better engine. And not just the standard 50 YPR, 92 speed MKIV's. RE'd ones. Show me a 65-70YPR engine at a decent speed and ill plunk down the credits the instant i see it on the vendor and not think twice about it.

4.) same for reactor's and shields. ALways looking for more juice or shield for less mass. Show me one and ill drop the credits and not bat an eyelash. But, i rarely see any worth buying. SO i don't.

5.) I compare weapons. Show me somethign better than your standard L7's and L9's and i *might* buy them. But the trouble is, with a few notible exceptions most of them are VERY SIMILAR, and the improvment is marginal if any, and just not worth buying.

6.) if you guys could make droid controllers and capacitors worth a damn id look for them, but you don't so i dont bother to look."



In other words, this guy would buy stuff, but shipwrights cant make it good enough.

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A good shipwright cannot harvest their own resources, it's simply not possible. The sheeer voume of a good shipwright negates the possibility.

I beg to differ on this point. I manage 10 heavy chems, 40 MMI's and 30 HMI's on Naboo, ten MMI's on Tatooine, and10 HMI's/50 MMI's on Lok, all as static harvesters. I've considered placing more, as well. If these have even a semi-decent concentration of a new resource I need, I mine it. When the statics arent pulling up shipwright resources, I simply use them to suck up Power (which I use or sell),grind resources (which I sell in bulk at 1cpu) or, occasionally (when permitting),stuff that's highquality but not to me...whichI then sell, of course. If my statics can't pull up some resource that I need, I just rent extra lots from guildmates, paying 20k-30k per lot for a week (depending on the planet it's on and how badly I need the resource). Until recently, I was renting 96 lots from other members of my guild, 56 of which were on one resource alone (an awesome CB Steel, 985 OQ/904 CON).

And if you're wondering, no, I actually only barely have the time to juggle it all. But I manage, somehow...probably in part from learning how two other guildmembers did it - they both used to run mass-mining buisinesses (onedid grind resources and was all static, one did high-quality and was all mobile), and then learning what made them burn out...and not doing that!

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I burnt myself out just reading that! I cannot imagine the amount of game time just running around keeping maintenance and power up on 250+ lots, nevermind tracking and harvesting resources. I'm happy with my 14 borrowed lots and the 15 from my two toons.

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In other words, this guy would buy stuff, but shipwrights cant make it good enough.
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Some stuff they can. Some stuff they can't. Problem is their too bloody focused on chassis, or can't find good enough resources to make parts with the desired stats.

Very few SW's acutally make the stuff this pilot needs.

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Ducimus wrote:
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In other words, this guy would buy stuff, but shipwrights cant make it good enough.
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Some stuff they can. Some stuff they can't. Problem is their too bloody focused on chassis, or can't find good enough resources to make parts with the desired stats.

Very few SW's acutally make the stuff this pilot needs.

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Yeah I've noticed the only good stuff a shipwright can make is sheilds and armour (and of course the chasis)
The weapons aren't half bad though If you have the mass to take them.


I actually bought myself a decimator last night and have been kitting it out, however it would appear that the reactor I can make is not anywhere near as good as the reactors I loot.
And somethings that we make just do not sell.

And most of the high end stuff we make can only fit in the uber large ships.

Still with the loot nerf hopefully our trade will be picking up a bit.

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Graysoni wrote:

But....I can keep up SW if everyone is selling less than what resources cost!! It pointless, moronic and stupid. If someone is selling you resources at 1cpu please send me the wp!!!!

Point---START CHARGING RESONABLE PRICES FOR YOUR SHIPS!!!! 150k for an Awing- come on!

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Thereis away to work this to your advantage. These are not master shipwrights. These arestarfighter engineersgrinding level 4 ships for the xp and selling them for low cost because they need money to buy more grind resources. If you're so concerned about the competition, do what the big dogs do. Eatem. Buy the cheap ships and resell them for a mark up. If they can afford to sell 1 cpu ships and still stay in business, thenthey become a "manufacturer" and you become a supplier. Just buy them out. If you can't beat them, buy them.

Message Edited by Bahboo on 12-22-2004 09:43 PM

"Just buy them out. If you can't beat them, buy them. "

I would only buy just what I needed to stay stocked. Chassis are by and large not in demand anymore, and making or buying an excessive amount makes no sense, as I dont expect demand to go up any time soon.

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Graysoni wrote:

Ok, this is my problem, Im a master Ithorian SW, main character not an Alt, first Master on my server, so far have sold about 12mil of ships or so and spent about 15mil in resources. This is my problem. I charge 5cpu, which is perfectly resonable. Then....I have 3 other master SW's come up and start charging 1.5-2.5cpu for ships. Umm, i cant buy/harvest resources for that!!!! So how can you???? Geeze I mean come on, you know your loosing money, and you drive SW's like me who charge a resonable price out of business. You cant be making any profit. Now dont get me wrong, somehow im still selling things, made 1.2 mil last night. But....I can keep up SW if everyone is selling less than what resources cost!! It pointless, moronic and stupid. If someone is selling you resources at 1cpu please send me the wp!!!!

Point---START CHARGING RESONABLE PRICES FOR YOUR SHIPS!!!! 150k for an Awing- come on!

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You weren't the first master shipwright on Sunrunner. According to your own post you mastered on 12/02, over a month after JTL went live. I know many people on Sunrunner who were master the 1st day JTL went live.

Nor are you the first or only Ithorian shipwright on Sunrunner (for example, I am an Ithorian SW on Sunrunner, have been since JTL launched)... no idea why you try to make these claims.

I'm sorry you deleted your main and rerolled an Ithorian hoping to be the first and only, but it doesn't make it true. It really urks me because you constantly try to invalidate the other Ithorian shipwrights on Sunrunner, of which there are several.

At any rate and to be back on topic, I sell chassis below 3 CPU in many cases and make more credits than I spent to get the resources since I mined them myself. I stockpile resources, then run chassis and sell them. Stockpile more, run chassis. You can get away with lower quality resources in many cases and get very similar results, and for leveling/grinding most people don't care. The masters I sell to enjoy every bit of mass I can get, so I use better quality resources for those ships.

Everyone has a right to sell for whatever makes them a profit, just because you can't compete doesn't make it wrong. It makes it competition, and you'll have to adjust if you're concerned about your income.

Message Edited by Bahboo on 12-23-2004 02:20 AM

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Ko-aIri wrote:

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Graysoni wrote:

Ok, this is my problem, Im a master Ithorian SW, main character not an Alt, first Master on my server, so far have sold about 12mil of ships or so and spent about 15mil in resources. This is my problem. I charge 5cpu, which is perfectly resonable. Then....I have 3 other master SW's come up and start charging 1.5-2.5cpu for ships. Umm, i cant buy/harvest resources for that!!!! So how can you???? Geeze I mean come on, you know your loosing money, and you drive SW's like me who charge a resonable price out of business. You cant be making any profit. Now dont get me wrong, somehow im still selling things, made 1.2 mil last night. But....I can keep up SW if everyone is selling less than what resources cost!! It pointless, moronic and stupid. If someone is selling you resources at 1cpu please send me the wp!!!!

Point---START CHARGING RESONABLE PRICES FOR YOUR SHIPS!!!! 150k for an Awing- come on!

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You weren't the first master shipwright on Sunrunner. According to your own post you mastered on 12/02, over a month after JTL went live. I know many people on Sunrunner who were master the 1st day JTL went live.

Nor are you the first or only Ithorian shipwright on Sunrunner (for example, I am an Ithorian SW on Sunrunner, have been since JTL launched)... no idea why you try to make these claims.

I'm sorry you deleted your main and rerolled an Ithorian hoping to be the first and only, but it doesn't make it true. It really urks me because you constantly try to invalidate the other Ithorian shipwrights on Sunrunner, of which there are several.

At any rate and to be back on topic, I sell chassis below 3 CPU in many cases and make more credits than I spent to get the resources since I mined them myself. I stockpile resources, then run chassis and sell them. Stockpile more, run chassis. You can get away with lower quality resources in many cases and get very similar results, and for leveling/grinding most people don't care. The masters I sell to enjoy every bit of mass I can get, so I use better quality resources for those ships.

Everyone has a right to sell for whatever makes them a profit, just because you can't compete doesn't make it wrong. It makes it competition, and you'll have to adjust if you're concerned about your income.

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Amen to that! I have posted a couple of times that this guy isn't the only Ithorian master shipwright on Sunrunner. And if he mastered on 12/2, then he wasn't the first either. I know I mastered shipwright as an Ithorian on Sunrunnerbefore that. Besides, what does race matter? Sure you get a few extra points in some shipwright assembly skills, but it's what you do with your experimentation points that counts IMO... resources plays a part too. Didn't mean to change topics on this thread, but this guyticks me off with his false advertising that doesn't really have much to do with the quality of the parts Ithorians put out anyways.

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Bahboo wrote:

If there is no demand then you needn't worry about your competitor's prices. No demand means none of the shipwrights aremaking money, and if you think that's the case then its time to cut your losses and choose another profession.

The fact is that thereIS a demand but the market is flooded with people making chassis blueprints (mostly for xp). Buying an excessive amount makes plenty of sense. If you buyout your competitors, you will be the only one with product. The market will be forced to buy from you at whatever price you feel is fair. Granted it would be almost impossible to buyout all of you competitors, but thelow-pricedones are the only ones that you seemconcerned with, and consequently, they are the easiest to buy out. This goes for any business, any product.

Also, consider the planetary add campaign. Go to the top listed vendor on your shop's planet and if they're prices are too low for your liking, buyoutthe vendor. Poof!! Their vendor is off the list of vendors on your planet and you are moved one step higher on the list.

Lastly, the best way tokeepyourcustomers coming back isn't with your prices. Its with your stock and your variety. I have every type of ship part, ship chassis,weapon, and munitionin stock at all times in abundance. People come to me because they don't feel like hunting around for another cheaper vendor that may or may not have what they're looking for.

In a free economy, complaining about your competitor's prices just tells your customers that they're buying from the wrong merchant.

Message Edited by Bahboo on 12-23-2004 02:20 AM

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Not to change the subject, but this is why I oppose enhanced factory support. With the ability to crank out large quantities of components via factories, the distinction between shipwrights is minimalized.

Back on topic, those people drastically underselling will eventually tire themselves out gathering resources and crafting replacements. They'll either raise their rates or drop the profession. Especially if factory support remains at the current levels.

Making30 armor plates,6 of each cert isn't bad.
Making30 enhanced armor plates, or60 combines, is a bit annoying.
Making30 of3 differentarmor plates(mass reduction,armor reinforcement and 'normal') or 150 combines, is aggravating.

Having those90armor platessellout overnight because your prices are too low, requiring you do to it all over again the next day is actual work.