Shipwright Archive
Thread: Dear Shipwrights, please stop blindly REing components in pursuit of an outdated and outmoded ship.
I dont find much issues with parts being RE'd. Only use levels 1-3 for that.
Problems is chassis dealers buying parts. I'd dare say, 90% of parts dissapear on that one.
Yes...i'm a baaaaad ithorian.....
I am a Chef by profession and build ships in my garage. I do not have a vendor where I sell parts. I make parts for friends and guild mates. Mine are the best on my server only because I have the means to pay for tapes and resource deeds. I have traded 3 adk's for 3 pre-nurf level 6 reward engines. I am a shipwright because it is fun.
That being said, alot of people want the KSE Firespray not for functionality, but for nostalga. They want to be able to cruise around in Boba's ship. I re parts all the time. I place these re'ed parts on a vendor for 1 credit each. If anyone is interested in leveling pilot, I direct them to the vendor and tell tehm to help themselves to whatever they need.
Mass re'ing of parts is not a bad thing. It gives new pilots parts to use to level.
Slysix wrote:
Oh..I'm not blindly RE'ing components. I'm intentionally making RE jobs that I won't be using not up to par. Stuff like a speed 101 RE'd engine with ypr of 80/65/80. I sell more of my crafted parts that way don't ya know.
Yes...i'm a baaaaad ithorian.....
/shocked!!!!!!!!!!
/takes cookie away from Slysix
/runs away
Paladon wrote:
Jagged-F3l wrote:
I don't agree with your claim that the Firespray is a "bad" ship.
...What claim?
You're using quotation marks and noone in the thread to that point even posted the word "bad". Where washis claim?
You misinterpret my use of quotation marks. It was merely to encapsulate your original sentiment concerning the Firespray, and I quote,
QUIT BLINDLY WASTING RE PARTS IN PURSUIT OF A SHIP THAT NO LONGER FITS INTO THE REALISTIC STRATEGIC MAKEUP OF JTL. THE KSE HAD IT'S DAY, AND IT ENDED WHEN THE M22-T WAS INTRODUCED.
I interpretted this as "bad".
Jagged-F3l wrote:
I don't understand your statement, "...the resources required to actually build it that are the problem and cost." Aren't the resource requirements the same as any other master ship? I am asking because I have never completed a set of disks (primarily because I don't deal in loot), and hence not crafted one. If so, why is this so difficult. I craft about 5 master ships a week and don't see the problem. However, if you're not a "crafting shipwright", I can see where this would be a problem (especially at the rate that resource dealers sell resources).
5 master ships isn't 5 firesprays. The regular master ship schematics are infinite use(and while the disks aren't so Difficult to get, they're not something you just try over and over again to get right). Add to that the attempts to get mass a chunk past 213k (Eclipse people might recognize the names Gefiseiarc, Ysukomi, etc. in 10k-70k piles).
Again, you misinterpret the intent behind my words. You complained, ""...the resources required to actually build it that are the problem and cost." I indicated that I didn't understand the problem with obtaining the resources to make a master ship (which the Firespray is).
The average mass of a Firespray (i.e., 50% experimentation on mass) is approximately 210K. Most players are happy with that mass. I don't know if I would waste rare resources on crafting a chassis, even a Firespray.
As for the difficulty with obtaining disks, I strongly believe that the drop rate varies with each server. On Chilastra the drop rate is extraordinarily low. Individual disk sell for 4-5M a piece (which I don't fully understand since the Firespray itself sells for about 7-10M).
Jagged-F3l wrote:
True enough. However, part of the game is a wanna-be role playing for some players. Nothing wrong with that.
Wish BH's could see Jedi players that way,
Jagged-F3l wrote:
You fail to understand that in order to do this, there need to be shipwrights RE'ing for the purpose of finding the disks required to create the blueprint, as the drop rate is fantastically low.
It's only a fantastically low rate if you're doing it completely wrong:
Doing it wrong? Is there a right way? In my opinion, when you RE, the server roles the dice and you have chance of the disk dropping. If you know more than I do, I would appreciately being enlightened.
Sar-larid wrote:
On top of that,I didn't start getting LOTS of disks until I FOCUSED on 1 and 2 levels; which once got me 4 disks in3 minutes of RE work
Jagged-F3l wrote:
One person barking at the shipwright community to stop doing it their way and do it his way---didn't we call this communism not too long ago?
Back in school they called it "Teaching". But if 2+2 ='ing 5 is your thing, sure, do it your way,
(btw, it's not only "One person" barking,
)
No matter, I am telling you that no player or group ofcrafters can impose their methods on others. I personally never dealth in looted ship components; I don't collect them, I don't sell them, I don't RE them. It represented a conscious choice on my behalf. At first, it represented a personal boycott against space loot. However, when the devs brought crafted components in line with looted ship components, I didn't particularly feel that way anymore. These days, it represents a business decision. Given inventory restrictions, I didn't see a clear way to do both RE'ing and crafting. I have filled almost all inventory avenues with collected resources, and consider crafting my "core competancy", and I'll leave it at that.
One can argue that my "business decision" isn't right, but it would strictly represent in opinion. Furthermore, it is hard to argue with success.
Finally, observe that I'm not arguing against RE'd ship components, but merely indicating that no player can dictate to the rest of the community how a "thing" should be done (and hence my reference to communism).
Oh wait... I think I am just going to keep playing on my server how I enjoy playing.
If someone wants to RE a mess of stuff, with "bad" stats and dump them on the Bazaar, fine whatever. If someone wants to hoard good parts and RE a mess of parts with virtually identicle states, fine whatever.
Could not agree more.
Bronski113 wrote:
My suggestion is to let people do what they want with their time in game. I personally want a Firespray. I have 2 master pilots, one freelance and one imperial. Both have what some would consider the best ships out there, the grevious fighter and the JSF. But do I fly them? No, simply because they don't fit my style. Plus I'm really not a fan of either of them.
I also own a Krayt for my freelancer. I use it for mining. In all honesty i enjoy flying my dunelizard much more than the Krayt. Actually at the moment i'm flying either my Arc170 or Vaksai with my Freelancer.
When I get the firespray I'll fly that as well. One advantage it has over the other freelance ships is the abilty to hold 2 ordnance slots.
I don't think alot of you are getting what Kayhl is saying. All he is asking is..........Don't waste good parts. Sell them or use them for good REed parts so that SOMEONE can use those parts. Rare parts are RARE. Which means if you use them for worthless RE jobs then someone else LOSES the benefit of the use of that part.
But alot of you are correct. You have every right to stupid and selfish.
Cyd Outlander
Shipwright
PILOT
FLMOPE wrote:
I don't think alot of you are getting what Kayhl is saying. All he is asking is..........Don't waste good parts. Sell them or use them for good REed parts so that SOMEONE can use those parts. Rare parts are RARE. Which means if you use them for worthless RE jobs then someone else LOSES the benefit of the use of that part.
But alot of you are correct. You have every right to stupid and selfish.
Cyd Outlander
Shipwright
PILOT
I have fanbois? News to me.
Also, I've tried being diplomatic before - it didn't work. Being an ass seems to get more people's attention, and be it positive or negative, attention is attention.
As others have said, I have no problem with SWs wasting the vast majority of loot on REs for discs, as the vast majority of loot sucks. I have a problem with the ones that take a "1 in 1000" part and pitch it away on a "1 in 1000" chance.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 09-08-2005 06:06 PM
I think the sticking issue here is that you are trying to tell people what to do with their loot. It's not your loot. If it's my loot, I'll do with it as I please. You are the equivalent of a master tailor who only makes blue hawt pants having a tizzy when you see people wasting hides/syncloth/whatever by making red hawtpants.
The answer to your problem is that Pre-RE loot needs to be separated from Post-RE loot on the bazaar. That way, folks who overreact to poorly Rengineered components don't have to see them and KSE hunters don't have to wade through stuff that won't help them.
Wow. That last paragraph just turned this thread into a constructive one. lol
KaylBreinhar wrote:
/raiseEyebrow
I have fanbois? News to me.
Also, I've tried being diplomatic before - it didn't work. Being an ass seems to get more people's attention, and be it positive or negative, attention is attention.
As others have said, I have no problem with SWs wasting the vast majority of loot on REs for discs, as the vast majority of loot sucks. I have a problem with the ones that take a "1 in 1000" part and pitch it away on a "1 in 1000" chance.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 09-08-2005 06:06 PM
What does it matter to you? Oh wait, you're the be-all and end-all when it comes to RE knowledge, the self-proclaimed RE guru.
Gimme a break.
If you feel so neglected that you have to troll to get attention, do the rest of us a favor and get a dog. As others have mentioned, what players want to do with their loot is their business, and all you're doing is trolling for reactions. You're not telling any decent SW what they don't already know, and it's a slim chance your target audience will read what you have to scream at them and even if they do, they'll ignore you for being the petulant brat you are.
Starstrider6 wrote:
KaylBreinhar wrote:
/raiseEyebrow
I have fanbois? News to me.
Also, I've tried being diplomatic before - it didn't work. Being an ass seems to get more people's attention, and be it positive or negative, attention is attention.
As others have said, I have no problem with SWs wasting the vast majority of loot on REs for discs, as the vast majority of loot sucks. I have a problem with the ones that take a "1 in 1000" part and pitch it away on a "1 in 1000" chance.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 09-08-2005 06:06 PM
What does it matter to you? Oh wait, you're the be-all and end-all when it comes to RE knowledge, the self-proclaimed RE guru.
Gimme a break.
If you feel so neglected that you have to troll to get attention, do the rest of us a favor and get a dog. As others have mentioned, what players want to do with their loot is their business, and all you're doing is trolling for reactions. You're not telling any decent SW what they don't already know, and it's a slim chance your target audience will read what you have to scream at them and even if they do, they'll ignore you for being the petulant brat you are.
Do you *really* think a Master Shipwright on Chimaera (like myself for instance) give's a rat's ass what you have to say over there on Eclipse? Take your "Listen to Kayl he's right" fanboi/Amen Corner Crew and let them worship you elsewhere.
Message Edited by Thunderbyte on 09-08-2005 08:54 PM