Shipwright Archive

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Ricven wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

styx66 you need to change the name of the thread to "The People With the Most Multiple Accounts Have Spoken...."

Tyranus

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LMAO!!

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No, if the people that have multiple accounts had spoken there would have been another 42 votes in-line with mine. As it is, your trolling is about the only thing ruining this.

Too bad your parents did such a bad job with you both and we have to see the results.

Fivo Asia

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Cafa wrote:

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Ricven wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

styx66 you need to change the name of the thread to "The People With the Most Multiple Accounts Have Spoken...."

Tyranus

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LMAO!!

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No, if the people that have multiple accounts had spoken there would have been another 42 votes in-line with mine. As it is, your trolling is about the only thing ruining this.

Too bad your parents did such a bad job with you both and we have to see the results.

Fivo Asia

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I have 3 accounts. I could have voted with all three and none of you would be the wiser. Not saying I did. Just saying I could have. And I did think about it. The fact is its there. And that makes this whole voting for the top 5 a complete fuster cluck.

Tyranus

So you don´t like the outcome of the voting and now it has to be that there were cheaters voting? I voted only once, and nearly that came out was exactly as I voted for. Strange, how could this happen since there must have been cheated?
I think you should better not accuse other people before knowing facts.

Great Work, Styx66!

The first sentences have nothing to do with the last btw., after posting I saw that could be misunderstood

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PetaByte32 wrote:

How many of those votes were multiple account ran by the same person? Sorry but its Florida all over again. This wont work this way. You cant come up with a good top 5 with voting.

Tyranus

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Question should be: How many of those votes could have been from multiple accounts run by the same person?

Answer: Just as many that voted one way as the other.

There will always be a small sampling error, and often there is voter fraud. Do you think there is someone THAT passionate about something that thinks his one extra vote will make a difference? Are you that kind of person?

Polls are a good way to get a sense of community stance. This doesnt mean these things are being put into law, so it isn't that vital to commit fraud on. Have faith in your fellow man

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PetaByte32 wrote:

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Cafa wrote:

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Ricven wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

styx66 you need to change the name of the thread to "The People With the Most Multiple Accounts Have Spoken...."

Tyranus

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LMAO!!

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No, if the people that have multiple accounts had spoken there would have been another 42 votes in-line with mine. As it is, your trolling is about the only thing ruining this.

Too bad your parents did such a bad job with you both and we have to see the results.

Fivo Asia

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I have 3 accounts. I could have voted with all three and none of you would be the wiser. Not saying I did. Just saying I could have. And I did think about it. The fact is its there. And that makes this whole voting for the top 5 a complete fuster cluck.

Tyranus

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So because YOU had thoughts of cheating it automatically means everyone else who has the ability to do it did so? Just because you are a trolling whiner doesn't make everyone else a vote padding cheater. Your seem to have a problem with people that think differently than you, maybe you need to grow up some before you play a game with other people.

Zigmund keep up the good work, ignore the trollies who have nothing better to do than complain when the majority think differently than they do.

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styx66 wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

How many of those votes were multiple account ran by the same person? Sorry but its Florida all over again. This wont work this way. You cant come up with a good top 5 with voting.

Tyranus

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Question should be: How many of those votes could have been from multiple accounts run by the same person?

Answer: Just as many that voted one way as the other.

There will always be a small sampling error, and often there is voter fraud. Do you think there is someone THAT passionate about something that thinks his one extra vote will make a difference? Are you that kind of person?

This community is made of gamers. Your being naive if you think they wouldnt do something like that. There are enough players that would go that direction just for one vote. Because it isnt that hard to do.

Polls are a good way to get a sense of community stance. This doesnt mean these things are being put into law, so it isn't that vital to commit fraud on. Have faith in your fellow man

I have faith in my fellow man. I have faith that because it isnt vital they wont feel guilty or bad about "padding" a vote that doesnt matter.

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How many of those votes were multiple account ran by the same person? Sorry but its Florida all over again. This wont work this way. You cant come up with a good top 5 with voting.

Tyranus

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This is a true issue. However, I see no way around it. Not every shipwright is reading the forums. Not every shipwright is understanding english for that matter.

Still, Styx needs a starting point, and I do not see a better way to get there. Do you?

Of course, he could just use his own opinions, I just think, this would be worse then voting.

I do not have multiple accounts, but one could argue, that having multiple accounts should give you more votes. It is that way with stock. The person, who owns 50% of a companies stock also has 50% of the votes...

Regards

Niacia

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Ibixat wrote:



So because YOU had thoughts of cheating it automatically means everyone else who has the ability to do it did so? Just because you are a trolling whiner doesn't make everyone else a vote padding cheater. Your seem to have a problem with people that think differently than you, maybe you need to grow up some before you play a game with other people.

Zigmund keep up the good work, ignore the trollies who have nothing better to do than complain when the majority think differently than they do.

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Its not about thinking differently. Its about the fact that using a vote to gain a top 5 issues isnt going to work. First it alienates the ones that do think differently. Second it can be manipulated. And there are enough players willing to go that extra mileto make sure things happen the way they think. Your post is proof of that.

Basically inyour post you showed with one line that I should not play a game because I think differently from you. I dont have a problem with you thinking differently from me and I would never tell you or suggest to you that you give up doing something just because you do think differently. But I will also say what I think as well. Its a two way street. Wanna voice your opinion or support of something? Then be prepared to have someone counter it. If you cant handle that then we are at impass.

This will be the profession if the whole "Majority rules" thing goes forth. Because it isnt majority rules. Look at the votes. Some show 1/3rd against or for something. That is 1/3 of the shipwrights. That means if there are 1000 shipwrights thenthat vote tells us that 333 of them have a problem with whatever issue. 333 is alot. One is almost 50/50. So half feel one way and the other half another.

Lets say this all passes and the DEVs get it. They agree with it and go ahead and make all the needed changes. What do you get? At least 50% of the current shipwright community unhappy with some part ofit and most likely pursuing other professions. Why? Because they think differently from you. So shipwright becomes a "Think like the majority or suffer" mentality. I saw a community like that once on an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to make out because it was in black and white and everyone spoke german.

The smart thing should have been to find the big issues and then find a compromise99% can agree with. Instead you will have a much larger percentage of the shipwright community skewed off in their own little world.

For example the whole factory issue. There are alot of compromises that could be brought forth to make99% happy. Limited support or certain items, that are sold in large numbers,made able to schematic. Just one example. "If you bend you need not break."

I say 99% because no matter what is suggested someone will have a problem. But you tell me which is better: 1% having issues or 33% having issues? I really want to know your answer on this. Also styx's answer on this.

So what styx should do is cancel the whole vote thing and then make a post on each of the big issues to get feedback on real compromises from either side of the fence. Then find the best ones and submit those to the DEVs.

Tyranus

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Niacia wrote:

How many of those votes were multiple account ran by the same person? Sorry but its Florida all over again. This wont work this way. You cant come up with a good top 5 with voting.

Tyranus

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This is a true issue. However, I see no way around it. Not every shipwright is reading the forums. Not every shipwright is understanding english for that matter.

Still, Styx needs a starting point, and I do not see a better way to get there. Do you?

Of course, he could just use his own opinions, I just think, this would be worse then voting.

I do not have multiple accounts, but one could argue, that having multiple accounts should give you more votes. It is that way with stock. The person, who owns 50% of a companies stock also has 50% of the votes...

Regards

Niacia

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