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00over0

Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:26 am

Shipwright is a custom-crafting profession. Sure, there are times when you'll happen to have just what someone needs on your vendor, but for the most part components have to be custom made. I only do custom orders--the only thing I put on my vendors are the components I make that don't quite fit that custom order's particular needs (too much energy or mass, usually). I feel no pressure to keep a vendor stocked. When someone wants something, they contact me and I craft it for them. Easy, simple, and fun.

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Fidgiter

Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:27 am

#28

PetaByte32 wrote:

The other master shipwright has left the game. Gone to EQ2. Now I am the only master shipwright in the guild. It all falls on me. Then our Chassis IV shipwright had to work and travel for a week so our vendor hasnt been stocked in that time. Yesterday I get a GMail from him with the new order for the vendor. Over 370 items. And all on my shoulders.

370 items over a week? Sounds like you guys are having quite the booming business. I trust that this doesn't include any of the things that can be made in a factory like missile and chaff packs and repair and customization kits?

So thanks to no factory support my next two gaming days will be filled with mass crafting of generic items. I say generic as I dont have time to use subcomponents or to name the item. All of which I could do if I had real factory support. Even limited.

This is a classic example of supply and demand. It is clear that your prices must be below market value thus demand exceeds your ability to supply. At this point you are confronted with two choices; you can raise prices or you can reduce the quality of your product thus moving to a different supply and demand curve.

I guess this comes down to personal choices but from my perspective I'll sooner sell fewer higher quality items than many lower quality items. Withough factory support this is a choice that we, as crafters, must make and I think it is a good thing. You choose to grind out substandard gear and it is your choice to make.

You mention later that you feel guilty about the pricing but you also feel burdened by the volume of work. Which one of these two things is the more pressing issue? What IS your pricing?

Mayor Feliz, RSO Commanding Officer
FidgitCo Construction, Droid and Starships
Furnishing the Galaxy since September 2003
Dune Retreat Mall, Tatooine

4Bidden

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:49 pm

#29

The part that's starting to worry me is that I've been told by a few master shipwrights that they are now resorting to 3rd party programs to craft for them. This is outrageous. These shipwrights voted no on factory support so they can continue to mass produce products and somewhat corner their markets.. They have turned themselves into virtual factories.. Not only have some of them admitted this to me, but when you send them a tell they never answer, yet somehow end up with hundreds of items on their vendors.

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DingoBoi

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:54 pm

#30

I run a major shipyards and only i am responsible for making and stocking the 9 main vendors. Takes quite a bit of time. So much so, I sponsored 4 others thru master shipwright just to handle the custom order business. I'm much happier doing bulk standard enhanced components and leaving the detailed request work to them.

I'm also happier that a month later i'm 200M in credits richer and I still have 30M in stock on vendors not including over 360 chassis.

I'm also happier that all the new resources I bought are nicely lined up in my storage areas just waiting to be used as their value exceed 50M itself.

Shipwright is good, if you do want you want. I have only left my shop once since launch to fly a bit one day. The rest is managing the store. If you don't like the power crafting, then stop doing it. Just do custom orders since that is what you seem to love the most anyways....that or find others to do the powercrafting you don't like. That's why i got the other shipwrights on my staff.. because I'm cranky and really don't have patience for players to make up their minds about what they want.

I may take a break after i hit a billion credits. And this is me alone doing this. Imagine what I could do with full factory support.

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PetaByte32

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:58 pm

#31

4Bidden wrote:

The part that's starting to worry me is that I've been told by a few master shipwrights that they are now resorting to 3rd party programs to craft for them. This is outrageous. These shipwrights voted no on factory support so they can continue to mass produce products and somewhat corner their markets.. They have turned themselves into virtual factories.. Not only have some of them admitted this to me, but when you send them a tell they never answer, yet somehow end up with hundreds of items on their vendors.

I have heard about this macro myself but never have seen it. Wouldnt use it if I did. And doesnt suprize me that some are using it. I am willing to bet alot of those against factory support are the ones using it.

IMO most shipwrights would agree 100% on factory support if it was just for their toon and no other shipwrights. "Oh I alone can have full factory support? Certainly I agree completely."

Its all about hypocracy and irony. They say "Well we dont want factory support so newbies can have a chance to compete." but a newbie can use a factory just like any other. It wouldnt make a difference either way if there was or wasnt factories in regards to a newbie competeing. The truth is they think they can rule the field by "outcrafting" their associates.

Dont you think its odd how they are are against factories because of newbies not being able to compete but they never mention the casual gamer who cant ever compete as a shipwright because of all the crafting involved?

Tyranus

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4Bidden

Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:07 pm

#32

PetaByte32 wrote:

4Bidden wrote:

The part that's starting to worry me is that I've been told by a few master shipwrights that they are now resorting to 3rd party programs to craft for them. This is outrageous. These shipwrights voted no on factory support so they can continue to mass produce products and somewhat corner their markets.. They have turned themselves into virtual factories.. Not only have some of them admitted this to me, but when you send them a tell they never answer, yet somehow end up with hundreds of items on their vendors.

I have heard about this macro myself but never have seen it. Wouldnt use it if I did. And doesnt suprize me that some are using it. I am willing to bet alot of those against factory support are the ones using it.

IMO most shipwrights would agree 100% on factory support if it was just for their toon and no other shipwrights. "Oh I alone can have full factory support? Certainly I agree completely."

Its all about hypocracy and irony. They say "Well we dont want factory support so newbies can have a chance to compete." but a newbie can use a factory just like any other. It wouldnt make a difference either way if there was or wasnt factories in regards to a newbie competeing. The truth is they think they can rule the field by "outcrafting" their associates.

Dont you think its odd how they are are against factories because of newbies not being able to compete but they never mention the casual gamer who cant ever compete as a shipwright because of all the crafting involved?

Tyranus

A "newbie/small" shipwright would benefic greatly from factory support. To those players every resource unit counts. With factory support, it would minimize the resource loss due to critical failures in experimentation...Now, I'm not saying he/she will lose the resources in a crit failure. I'm talking about the component he/she made will be almost worthless because of the crit failure, therefore essentially wasting the resources.

Edra's Architecture And Shipyard
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All Structure And Ship Orders Taken

Chewato

Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:19 pm

#33

Kelith wrote:
Also for the names, use cut/copy/paste(you may have to bind the keys in the keymap). This will save you from having to type each name in manually.

I like the idea ofnaming components but have not bothered doing it yet. As more and more of our guild get to master I am going to start doing this however, and think the easiest solution will be to come up with a set of names (and my use some of yours) and type them in the /notepad soI can simply cut and paste them. Since I am typically doing several of the same item this would not be too onerous since once the name is in the buffer all I will have to do is paste.

I do have mixed feelings about additional factory support since I do spend a lot of time on the crafting, but many times the items I am building need to be 'hand crafted' in some way anyway (certain mass, certain energy, etc). And I have gotten very good at telling my customers it may be a few days before I get to a specific order.

Niacia

Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:26 am

#34

PetaByte32 wrote:

4Bidden wrote:
The part that's starting to worry me is that I've been told by a few master shipwrights that they are now resorting to 3rd party programs to craft for them. This is outrageous. These shipwrights voted no on factory support so they can continue to mass produce products and somewhat corner their markets.. They have turned themselves into virtual factories.. Not only have some of them admitted this to me, but when you send them a tell they never answer, yet somehow end up with hundreds of items on their vendors.

I have heard about this macro myself but never have seen it. Wouldnt use it if I did. And doesnt suprize me that some are using it. I am willing to bet alot of those against factory support are the ones using it.
IMO most shipwrights would agree 100% on factory support if it was just for their toon and no other shipwrights. "Oh I alone can have full factory support? Certainly I agree completely."
Its all about hypocracy and irony. They say "Well we dont want factory support so newbies can have a chance to compete." but a newbie can use a factory just like any other. It wouldnt make a difference either way if there was or wasnt factories in regards to a newbie competeing. The truth is they think they can rule the field by "outcrafting" their associates.
Dont you think its odd how they are are against factories because of newbies not being able to compete but they never mention the casual gamer who cant ever compete as a shipwright because of all the crafting involved?
Tyranus

Please define casual game. I see myself as a more casual gamer, but as you know, I am strongly opposed to factories. I would not like them either, if i was the only shipwright with factory support.

They would not help me, as I am doing custom orders anyway.

Introduce factory support, and I think, custom orders would dwindle a lot, thus hurting my business.

Again, we do have very different aproaches to things. I do not want to outcraftz anyone. I do not want to have the biggest, best known, most profitable or whatever business.

All I want is a small comfortable business, where I take care of my customers. Exactly the thing I have now.

Regarding 3rd party macros. Never seen one. But I do not doubt those exists. But even such a makro could be outcrafted by a factory farm. And no factories means no crates, which also reduces the amount of components, that can be stored.

Regards

Niacia

TomoRainer

Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:00 am

#35

Imaridril, drop by my shop if you ever need components. Starships by Tomo, 820 -4716 outside Coronet, great stats and it's always stocked (though I am going out of town in a couple days, so this might, ironically, be the exception). And if you're that wealthy, CATS is usually always stocked. Scythkins and Rockweaver's shops seem to be both high quality and kept up on demand, too. There are a number of shipwrights you can count on to always have components. As for chassis, factory support wouldn't make a bit of difference. You can buy tier 0-4 chassis at any Coronet spammer's shop at any time. Master ships are a little trickier, but that's in part because they take so many resources--and anyone rich and lazy enough to squander 150K resources on a schematic for these wouldn't deserve factory support.

You know who all those empty vendors belong to? Second- and third-rate shipwrights. I've run around much of Starsider to check out the competition, and whenever I find a shop without many components, the ones I do see are.. well, let's say I could only hope my enemies would use their equipment. You wouldn't want to buy it even if they had it. These guys will either fade away due to lack of interest, ability, or sales, and then the vendor listings will be a little less cluttered. (Of course, it's not like resource vendors these days aren't twenty times less likely to have what you need than any given shipwright.)

Any serious shipwright should have almost everything you need at any time of day. The exception here are those 2-4 biggest sellers on any server--I know CATS doesn't always have everything, though they keep up well--and I can't make myself sympathetic about that when you can find comparable parts from a number of other shipwrights. Do like someone in this thread suggested: find a good shipwright or two who carry what you need and build a relationship with them. If they're not too busy, they're liable to build a custom order for you, especially if you've dropped a few credits in their shop already. Between that and a list of two or four shipwrights who do a good job keeping up with demand, I don't think you'll ever have a problem finding exactly what you need whenever you need it.

Smuggling uphill both ways in a Tatooine sandstorm since July '03 | Shipwright to the stars! Help put my virtual kids through college with a new X-Wing today | Ye Olde Pilot Correspondent

EnFERn0

Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:28 am

#36

No one forces you to use a factory, if you don't want to use it. Don't use it.

I just want the option to use it to spit out the basic parts. Reactors, Armor and Shields are all experimented the same way.

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TomoRainer

Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:59 am

#37

That's a ridiculous thing to say. How about this: no one forced you to be a shipwright. If you want to use factories, go be a weaponsmith.

Some of us took this profession for what it is.

Smuggling uphill both ways in a Tatooine sandstorm since July '03 | Shipwright to the stars! Help put my virtual kids through college with a new X-Wing today | Ye Olde Pilot Correspondent

4Bidden

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:29 am

#38

TomoRainer wrote:
That's a ridiculous thing to say. How about this: no one forced you to be a shipwright. If you want to use factories, go be a weaponsmith.

Some of us took this profession for what it is.

Many people were not involved with the beta process of JTL. Some of those people purchased the game to be a SW without knowing they couldnt use a factory for ship components. I know at least 2 of them.

What I am concerned about is that the developers never tested the/a market for the shipwright profession. Sure, they had beta, butmany people took up the profession in beta, of course to test it, but also to make their own ships. In beta, factories were not needed cause people were, for the most part, making ships for themselves. So there was no point in having factories in beta.

Edra's Architecture And Shipyard
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All Structure And Ship Orders Taken

Niacia

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:03 am

#39

EnFERn0 wrote:
No one forces you to use a factory, if you don't want to use it. Don't use it.
I just want the option to use it to spit out the basic parts. Reactors, Armor and Shields are all experimented the same way.

No shields, reactors or armor are not necessary all made the same. Imagine someone, who has a slight mass problem. He might prefere an armor, that is a little weaker, then you can make it, and a little lighter. He might not be able to use the heavy strong armor, and some armor is better then no armor.

Regards

Niacia

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