Shipwright Archive

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PetaByte32 wrote:

So thanks to no factory support my next two gaming days will be filled with mass crafting of generic items. I say generic as I dont have time to use subcomponents or to name the item. All of which I could do if I had real factory support. Even limited.

Tyranus

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You do know you can make subcomponents in factories?

No one's making you craft. So what if people have to go to someone else for something for a while? So what if they find a SW they like better? You're under noobligation to craft every item for every person on your server. This is a game. You're paying someone real money--not to be confused with credits--to have fun. If you're not having fun, then change what you're doing.

Try this: tell your vendor monkey you're going to go hunting for the day. Or you're going to hang out in the local cantina and chat all day. Or you're going to go sightseeing in your yacht.

Try this: go have fun.

I can only speak for myself, but I am very happy with no factory support. (Or limited as is).

Of course I do not have as many customers as you do. But I got loyal customers. And regarding demand, I am runing around with a master shipwright title. Recently, I cannot complain about too many tells... So it seems, overall demand already is dropping.

And, btw, even if there was factory support, I would have a hard time keeping those factories stocked...

I am just a low volume shipwright, but I am happy with this. The no factory policy fits very well with my playstyle. I would not want to play AS or WS, mainly due to the factories involved in those professions...

Regards

Niacia

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Imaridril wrote:

As someone who's a customer and not a shipwright, let me give you my take on things... I'm a fairly weathly player. When I'm shopping for ship components I don't even think about the price unless its in the high 6 figures. However, the problem I'm having is finding stocked vendors. I play on Starsider, which is one of the more populated servers. The other day I went to every shipwright shop listed on the planetary map around Coronet and Theed. It was probably close to 50 shops total. Of those shops, at least 90% were severly understocked. At least half of them had 10 or less items on their vendors. I had to go through almost 30 stores before I managed to find one with the chassis I wanted. When it came to components, selection almost everywhere was terrible, and out of those 50 shops only two or three had anything even worth me looking at. Now, I don't know if factory support would change this situation, but as it is right now, it seems to me that there is a serious shortage of supply.

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Thank you for that. I have been waiting to hear from pilots/customers on this issue. I have always had a strong feeling that this no factory support will cause exactly the situation you describe. This is one of the reasons I have always said that factory support is good for the game in general. Nothing is more frustrating than shopping around and finding nearly empty vendors. It simply negates the entire idea of having vendors in the game.

However, with regards to chassis I don't think factories will help. Chassis are simply too resource intensive to be built in factories. Especially for the higher tier chassis you will probably be better off by making custom orders to your shipwright of choice. I stock a fair amount of chassis on my vendor. But I don't have all chassis at all times - and I never stock master ships. But I list my prices on the vendor and will happily make them for customers when they ask.

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pervel wrote:

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Imaridril wrote:

As someone who's a customer and not a shipwright, let me give you my take on things... I'm a fairly weathly player. When I'm shopping for ship components I don't even think about the price unless its in the high 6 figures. However, the problem I'm having is finding stocked vendors. I play on Starsider, which is one of the more populated servers. The other day I went to every shipwright shop listed on the planetary map around Coronet and Theed. It was probably close to 50 shops total. Of those shops, at least 90% were severly understocked. At least half of them had 10 or less items on their vendors. I had to go through almost 30 stores before I managed to find one with the chassis I wanted. When it came to components, selection almost everywhere was terrible, and out of those 50 shops only two or three had anything even worth me looking at. Now, I don't know if factory support would change this situation, but as it is right now, it seems to me that there is a serious shortage of supply.

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Thank you for that. I have been waiting to hear from pilots/customers on this issue. I have always had a strong feeling that this no factory support will cause exactly the situation you describe. This is one of the reasons I have always said that factory support is good for the game in general. Nothing is more frustrating than shopping around and finding nearly empty vendors. It simply negates the entire idea of having vendors in the game.

However, with regards to chassis I don't think factories will help. Chassis are simply too resource intensive to be built in factories. Especially for the higher tier chassis you will probably be better off by making custom orders to your shipwright of choice. I stock a fair amount of chassis on my vendor. But I don't have all chassis at all times - and I never stock master ships. But I list my prices on the vendor and will happily make them for customers when they ask.

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With loot better than a number of crafted items, and chassis taking huge amounts of resources, the grind taking a lot of time if you don't have big reserves of cash or resources and it still being early days anyway - it's a bit early to pin down lack of factory support as the primary cause of limited supply.

Personally, I'm still not Master so the only stock I have is low-to-medium RE'd components and small supply of chassis. With the 0.25 return on resources in terms of XP, I'm putting all the resources I can get into chassis. I know I'm not the only player in this position.

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Imaridril wrote:

As someone who's a customer and not a shipwright, let me give you my take on things... I'm a fairly weathly player. When I'm shopping for ship components I don't even think about the price unless its in the high 6 figures. However, the problem I'm having is finding stocked vendors. I play on Starsider, which is one of the more populated servers. The other day I went to every shipwright shop listed on the planetary map around Coronet and Theed. It was probably close to 50 shops total. Of those shops, at least 90% were severly understocked. At least half of them had 10 or less items on their vendors. I had to go through almost 30 stores before I managed to find one with the chassis I wanted. When it came to components, selection almost everywhere was terrible, and out of those 50 shops only two or three had anything even worth me looking at. Now, I don't know if factory support would change this situation, but as it is right now, it seems to me that there is a serious shortage of supply.

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I understand that this can be frustrating. How about talking to your shipwright? The best thing for a customer is building a relationship to a specific shipwright.

My shop is unlisted. Still I got enough customers. More often then not I am doing custom orders for components. And sometimes, somebody has to wait a day or two. On the other hand, my stuff is relatively cheap.

Anyway, regarding components. You want those components to fit into your ship. There is no optimal component, because what is optimal is very much dependend on your setup.

Even with factory support, it is likely, that you would need to shop around for a long time, because the reactors sold in a shop are too heavy, the shields draw too much energy, ...

With shipwrights, there are millions of possible solution.

A shipwright needs to adjust those values in a way, that the components just fit into your ship, but are as strong as possible. Very often, some experimentation on mass is needed, but reduce the mass too much, and the performance will suffer.

Factory or no factory, your best bet is actually talking to the shipwrights. And, do not forget loot. Loot reverse engineered in just the right way can make great components, better then most things a SW can craft.

Regards

Niacia

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PetaByte32 wrote:

So thanks to no factory support my next two gaming days will be filled with mass crafting of generic items. I say generic as I dont have time to use subcomponents or to name the item. All of which I could do if I had real factory support. Even limited.

Tyranus

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Can't you make your subcomponents in a factory? That's called limited factory support.

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EnFERn0 wrote:

We're shipwrights, but in the current system we're forced to sit and craft almost all of our playtime.

Result is customers have to settle for my stock. Which is usually around 200-400 items.

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I cannot say this is what I am doing. Sure I spend quite a bit of time crafting, most of the time chatting with a customer. I also spend a lot of time surveying for resources every few days.
And some time REing, which I kind of enjoy.

But I also spend enough time flying, so no complaints here.

Maybe, a shipwright who is not able to enjoy the game due to mass crafting should think about changing his business model. If one is not able to enjoy the game, something needs to change. Either the game (e.g. by adding factories) or the way the player is playing the game.

Now, changing the game is easier on the player. Trouble is, almost all changes will put other players in the situation that player was in. Adding factories would make the game more enjoyable to pervel and peta, but less enjoyable to me and some other people. So simply adding factories might not be the best solution.

What else could be done?

A high volume crafter could think about being a low volume one. Rise your prices. Do custom crafting only. There are ways. I opt for cheap but custom crafting. And I have a lot of fun doing so. Fun I would not have with factories in the game. Then, I could not compete with people like Peta.

And some of those people might want to choose another crafting profession that has full factory support.

Or maybe, we can find another compromise. I probably could live with full factory support, if factory crafted stuff generally was inferior to handcrafted stuff. When creating a schematic, subtract 5% from every stat (Those, where higher values are better anyway ).

Regards

Niacia

Edit: Removed some spelling errors

Message Edited by Niacia on 11-24-2004 04:40 PM