Shipwright Archive

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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Message Edited by thecolonelcardaks on 12-30-2004 01:58 PM

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falacy wrote:

I'm so glad I quit... and I feel so good about the fifty bucks I paid for the cash to buy resources to make Master Shipwright for my guild...

Seriously, with crap like this they are begging people to quit.

Heck, I don't even have the game installed anymore and I'm having more fun reading the forums and laughing at the nit witts that think the game is going to get better... It hasn't and it won't.

Early last summer I said in a prominent post, "Change or fail". The next week they hired a few more developers. Unfortunately SOE, you've changed nothing and ultimately, you've failed with your Jump to Bankruptcy. Add all the loot and all the developers you want, but when you fail to see the big picture by doing things like what's listed above, you're only proving your inability to properly operate a world of the scope and magnitude of SWG.

Perhaps you should just give up now, while only a few hundred thousand dollars behind.

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Jtls is just fine. Lots of pilots. Im so sorry you cant make a fortune gougeing people for parts... Jtls rocks.. Its so refreshing to not HAVE TO buy from profiteering players.

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Arryth wrote:

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Sounds like this is a particular issue on your server, rather than a game wide problem.

400k for a good X is excessive
1.2 million for a good MP is excessive
1.5 million for a crate of 25 MkIII is a BLATENT ripoff

This goes some way to me understanding your other posts calling for no decay, less resource req etc. Like I said before we aint all gougers, and I think if you asked most SW here what they thought of those prices they would tell you the same as I have done here.

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OHafi wrote:

Hmmm. I charge 4cpu for everything on Tarquinas. And 1000 cr for each part that I took the time to r/e. Let's see, I pay 150k a crate for brandy, bivoli, ahrisa.... 125k for a suit of armor...large harvestor is 100k....

I charge 600k for a Master level ship.

It takes me about 30-45 minutes to create a designed to order ship for a customer with all the bells and whistles, destroying any part that isnt, at least, all great successes.

Profiteering? Hardly. Decent business sense? Yeah, I have that. I make a profit, I am no longer poor. I reap in a whopping 25% profit for my time and resources and crafting professionalism in maintaining the best possible resources ( 1cpu).

Profit for one set of acklay bones, 15 minutes of time spent by an elite combat profession= 2,000,000 %

Profit for one Nightsister Elder Crystal= 1,000,000 %

Rare loot, the sky is the limit.

And my guild laughs at me because I myself have the crappiest ship and parts ( not in quality but still 1/1/0/0 pilot so i can only have level 3 parts). Simply due to the fact that I dont have TIME to fly, catering to the needs of a community who needs new parts, new ships every couple days so they can Master in a week or two.

Profiteering...hehehehehehehe...thats funny.

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Very few can get a ser of ackley bones or a pearl in 15 min.. its sheer luck.. and can take weeks or months..

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Sounds like this is a particular issue on your server, rather than a game wide problem.

400k for a good X is excessive
1.2 million for a good MP is excessive
1.5 million for a crate of 25 MkIII is a BLATENT ripoff

This goes some way to me understanding your other posts calling for no decay, less resource req etc. Like I said before we aint all gougers, and I think if you asked most SW here what they thought of those prices they would tell you the same as I have done here.

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Well these are the standered prices the shipwrights of naritus are chargeing... This does not endear then to any sympathy on the pilots part, and easily causes alot of hostility when nerfing our loot is mentioned. The shipwright commnuity should be concentrating on getting the deves to half the resourse requirements across the board for all ships and parts.

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Arryth wrote:

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Sounds like this is a particular issue on your server, rather than a game wide problem.

400k for a good X is excessive
1.2 million for a good MP is excessive
1.5 million for a crate of 25 MkIII is a BLATENT ripoff

This goes some way to me understanding your other posts calling for no decay, less resource req etc. Like I said before we aint all gougers, and I think if you asked most SW here what they thought of those prices they would tell you the same as I have done here.

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Well these are the standered prices the shipwrights of naritus are chargeing... This does not endear then to any sympathy on the pilots part, and easily causes alot of hostility when nerfing our loot is mentioned. The shipwright commnuity should be concentrating on getting the deves to half the resourse requirements across the board for all ships and parts.

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Why?
Just stop going to the MSW that charge you 1.5mil for a crate of Mk3, thats 48 yes FORTY EIGHT CPU! My very best ones would set you back 187500, which I think is very reasonable

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Sounds like this is a particular issue on your server, rather than a game wide problem.

400k for a good X is excessive
1.2 million for a good MP is excessive
1.5 million for a crate of 25 MkIII is a BLATENT ripoff

This goes some way to me understanding your other posts calling for no decay, less resource req etc. Like I said before we aint all gougers, and I think if you asked most SW here what they thought of those prices they would tell you the same as I have done here.

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Well these are the standered prices the shipwrights of naritus are chargeing... This does not endear then to any sympathy on the pilots part, and easily causes alot of hostility when nerfing our loot is mentioned. The shipwright commnuity should be concentrating on getting the deves to half the resourse requirements across the board for all ships and parts.

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Why?
Just stop going to the MSW that charge you 1.5mil for a crate of Mk3, thats 48 yes FORTY EIGHT CPU! My very best ones would set you back 187500, which I think is very
reasonable

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Your prices have no baring on Naritus.. I listed low end of what all Naritus shipwrights I have found to date charge. So unless your coming to craft here, you affordability has no relevency with our and many servers problems. The high prices are rampent on the three servers I have already checked.. And those I think are not the only ones.

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Arryth wrote:

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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Chiwawa wrote:

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Arryth wrote:

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TrueBoom wrote:

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Gawzeera wrote:

part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

part of the problem here is that SW is a rich mans profession. unless you have lots of friends willing to give you resouces and lots to harvest resources or have loads of cash with which to buy resources there is just no point to doing SW.

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You know, posts like this are simply nothing less than disingenius. Have you EVER seen the prices of weapons or armor? Using your logic SOE should be giving away free armor and weapons as well. Anyone griping that 5-7 cpu is outrageous, when armor or weapons sell anywhere from 100-1000cpu needs to get with the program. You simply have no leg to stand on.

Suits of armor cost more than my enture line of ships, with the exception of my tier 4 and master level ships!!!

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I dont know about your server bro.. but on Naritus thats mostly true... the prices for parts is very high. 400k for an x-wing, 1.2 million minimum for any multiplayer ship, 400k for any level 9 part. 1.5 million for a crate of mark III proton missiles, 100k for most parts level 6-8. Its insane... It can easily cost you 5 million credits here to outfit well, one master level ship... Thats alot of credits given that solo grouping is now nerfed. Its an especialy large amount of cash given that its hard to get space to pay for its self.

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Sounds like this is a particular issue on your server, rather than a game wide problem.

400k for a good X is excessive
1.2 million for a good MP is excessive
1.5 million for a crate of 25 MkIII is a BLATENT ripoff

This goes some way to me understanding your other posts calling for no decay, less resource req etc. Like I said before we aint all gougers, and I think if you asked most SW here what they thought of those prices they would tell you the same as I have done here.

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Well these are the standered prices the shipwrights of naritus are chargeing... This does not endear then to any sympathy on the pilots part, and easily causes alot of hostility when nerfing our loot is mentioned. The shipwright commnuity should be concentrating on getting the deves to half the resourse requirements across the board for all ships and parts.

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Why?
Just stop going to the MSW that charge you 1.5mil for a crate of Mk3, thats 48 yes FORTY EIGHT CPU! My very best ones would set you back 187500, which I think is very
reasonable

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Your prices have no baring on Naritus.. I listed low end of what all Naritus shipwrights I have found to date charge. So unless your coming to craft here, you affordability has no relevency with our and many servers problems. The high prices are rampent on the three servers I have already checked.. And those I think are not the only ones.

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I would suggest that you make a MSW then, you could clear up. You might also learn a bit more about the profession in the process

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jd2134 wrote:

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part of the reason why the devs are adding in the ship is because of the fact that to a new player that just joined with JTLS and does not read the forums will have a very hard time getting the cash the cash to buy a ship because 90% of all SW are stupidly overpriced.

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the dev shoulds simple reduced the amount of resouces need to make stuff and get rid of the named reasources. heck im thinking of master Sw just to make my own stuff as some sw charge 150k for level 4 and 5 shields

nagyt

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ummm

Why are SW's charging 200k for one pack of space bombs then

SW's are charging 5-10 cpu when it takes 0.5 to pull it out of the ground.

SW's are very overpriced even with all the resource

This whole "why are shipwrights charging X" argument is ridiculous. Running around for unprogrammed chips the other day, I saw such wide varying prices that for me to come here and say "why do de's charge 50k for a chip" (which I saw) would be just dumb. And no apologies to all of you who have and who continue to say it. Its dumb. If you see someone charging 200k for a spacebomb pack, delete the wp and never go back there.

Maybe the person is using the vendor as his persaonl inv (as I've done sometimes) and figure if someone wants it for that much, let them have it instead of the standaed 999999. There could be any number of explanations.

Not ALL shipwrights are charing a certain set price, not even on your special server, despite what you think. Using it in any argument then shows how faulty your whole premise really is. If you're on shaky ground, stop the argument. Don't compound it with non-truths and assumptions.