Shipwright Archive
Thread: Half a million for a TIE Bomber?? Gimmie a break
Diorchas wrote:
After all, why would I charge a fee just to click a couple buttons?
Because you spent millions of credits gathering the resources for your grind, and you'd like to see a return on that investment?
If other classes sold for 5cpu, buffs would cost 3900 credits, and a composite chestplate would be 2550. I know it's not a valid comparison because organics are harder to acquire, but people really need a reality check and realize what it takes to become a shipwright.
Jak_Herer wrote:
Seems to be quite a few of these kinda posts atm, with pilots blaming SW for high prices and SW blaming miners for high prices....
Seems to me the real culprit is SOE, it was theirdecision to make the amount of resources required to build the chassisat the level they currently are. Of course these should take a lot of resources to make, but maybe it would have been better to drop these to a somewhat lower figure.
We don't buildchassis. We supply blueprints. What resources go into a blueprint? Paper, a little ink? I've never seen a blueprint made out of iron, steel, aluminum, or ore. Calling them blueprints, and making the massive resource requirements, makes no sense IMO... but I digress...
There are a lot of factors at work here, that are driving prices through the roof... So many people just did th grind to master, making resources in high demand, therefore high priced. Each master shipwright has gone through 5 million+ units of resources, draining steel and ore supplies on many servers. When supply goes down, prices go up. Miners wouldn't be able to sell stuff at 10+ cpu, if people aren't willing to pay it.
Bottom line, if you think you're paying too much (whatever it may be, resources, ships, weapons), DON'T PAY IT.
I hear ya. You want a product in the game and you want it the best quality possible for a minimum price. After paying 300k-500k for a great set of composit armor (130-220cpu), 150k for a crate of brandy (60 cpu?), 40k for a T21 (46 cpu), etc. you don't want to get ripped off paying 8 cpu for your TIE Bomber Starship! So to bypass those greedy shipwrights you will need to gather the following stacks of resources:
Steel - 24K
Low Grade Ore - 12k
Aluminum - 6k
Inert Petro - 6k
Iron - 6k
Fiberplast - 6k
Resource stats don't seem to heavily impact your mass stats but there can be a couple K difference so if mass is important you'll want to pay attention to MB/OQ/SR/UT stats and get them as high as possible.
Your cheapest bet of course is to survey and harvest your own resources. If that's not possible you'll have to shop around the resource vendors or if you're in a good guild see what your guildies have laying around. I recommend shopping around the resource vendors though. It's a somewhat eye opening experience.
Now the tricky part. Go and talk nicely to a shipwright and ask him/her to craft you a ship with those resources. I say it's tricky because your statement that "I know all about resources and what it takes to build ships so don't try to play it off like it costs the shipwright something." shows that you do not respect that players time, resources, and commitment to their profession. Your attitude may get in the way of developing a friendly relationship with a shipwright.
That said, there are many people grinding up shipwright and using whatever resources they can lay their hands on. Check around. There are large guilds flooding the market with 2 cpu frames. A little searching and you can get your starship for pocket lint.
DarthLueder wrote:
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I hear ya. You want a product in the game and you want it the best quality possible for a minimum price. After paying 300k-500k for a great set of composit armor (130-220cpu), 150k for a crate of brandy (60 cpu?), 40k for a T21 (46 cpu), etc. you don't want to get ripped off paying 8 cpu for your TIE Bomber Starship! So to bypass those greedy shipwrights you will need to gather the following stacks of resources:
Steel - 24K
Low Grade Ore - 12k
Aluminum - 6k
Inert Petro - 6k
Iron - 6k
Fiberplast - 6k
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Message Edited by blueoasis on 11-17-2004 12:11 PM
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LordDredd wrote:Well I AM a Master Shipwrite, and I'll say it. Yer all flippin' crazy! 500K for a bomber IS rediculous. I am on Kettemoor, and I charge 5cpu plus 50% of the total resource value for anything I make. For a bomber that would be 375K (I actually round it down to 350K). And I am making tons of credits, AND I am one of the most reasonably priced dealers on the market. I've seen people trying to sell X-wings for 1 mil, Interceptors for 700K, and YT-1300s for 3 mil. So don't jump all over this poor schmuck for complaining about what he feels are outrageous prices, and try to look at it from the consumer's point of view./flame on
I understand what you're saying but that's your pricing. My TIE Bombers are priced at 300k. I'm just down the way from a huge mall where they are selling chassis for 2-4 cpu. Let's just say I don't sell too many chassis. I make my money on components and ordinance. (of course as a Master Weaponsmith for over a year I had a large resource stock but I still spent 25 mil on resources to master shipwright and still have my WS income). I'm not picketing the SC Mall because of unfair business practices though. This is a game. If you are playing a businessperson you deal with the economy you're dealt. If a big box Walmart moves next door and undercuts your prices you either match price, move, or just wait them out. Selling too cheaply will create a demand that can burn a crafter out. I stock my vendors, craft custom jobs for people that ask, and take time to go flying myself.
If someone wants to charge 8 cpu for a chassis made with great resources and someone doesn't want to buy at that price then they need to move on to find another shop.Sometimes I think the non-crafting community expects crafters to be compliant NPCs. They want their toys, they want it now, they want it given to them for nothing, and they don't want to hear about our problems. If we don't provide them what they want at that moment they throw a tantrum and rant at us.
Insidius wrote:
Tell all your miner friends to lower their prices on crappy resources if you want cheaper ships.
All too often now I'm seeing complete ASS materials for 10cpu +.
Diorchas wrote:
There are a lot of SWs who would make you a chassis if you provide them the resources. Just ask around. My main is a SW and anyone who comes to me with all of the resources to build a ship gets a "free" ship. After all, why would I charge a fee just to click a couple buttons?
If you come to me and expect me to make the financial investment (i.e. providing the resources) then you should expect to pay what I'm charging. It really is that simple.
Oh, if it were only that easy. Even charging a 5k fee for the combine is a total bargin.
Don't forget to factor in the /tells from n00b pilot asking how many resources each chassis takes. Then asking you where they can find them.
I wouldn't mind assembeling chassis for people if they bring in the resources. But i'm not going to waste any time with /tells explaining what resources are needed and how to get them.
Diorchas wrote:
There are a lot of SWs who would make you a chassis if you provide them the resources. Just ask around. My main is a SW and anyone who comes to me with all of the resources to build a ship gets a "free" ship. After all, why would I charge a fee just to click a couple buttons?
If you come to me and expect me to make the financial investment (i.e. providing the resources) then you should expect to pay what I'm charging. It really is that simple.
i agree. im on ahazi and if you happen by my shop with the materials while im in "crafting mode" i have no problem as a master shipwright in making your chassis. shoot you can even email me with the subject line" i need made <chassis name> materials needed?" i will gladly tell you what to bring and make it for you when you show up.
normally i only keep one of each chassis on my vendor cuz im tired of people whining about prices after they see that wanna be master shipwright who sells non experimented noob crap chassis on their vendors trying to recover costs from the 7million resources they are trying to find to get to master. by doing this i can say im a one stop shop for those starting out
if im flying since i love to fly and learn what works and dont work in equipment (thus why my equipment is made a certain way and not run of the mill and my return customers love what i make. it really helps to know what works and helps while trying to break into the tier 4 missions) then either wait till im done flying or there will be a nominal fee to get me out of space to make your chassis. (nominal might be gigantic if we are busting the nova courier for the tier 4 mission)
if im on the ground and you walk up to my vendor while im there crafting. sure i will make it with your stuff.