Shipwright Archive

Message Edited by Vse on 11-04-2004 05:15 AM

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Wort_Cutter wrote:

Yes and when a ship wright finds a better compoent then one then they can craft, you take out a reverse engineering tool so you can improve your crafted ones

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And how do you do that?

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pneumonic81 wrote:

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lokiy2j wrote:

As a Pilot I agree, I spent 45mins last night travelling Tatooine lookin for a decent reactor for my tier 1 ship!

I visited loads of shipwrights vendors and eventually got a reactor with over 9k power on the bazzare!! it has like 10500power but now I can power all systems on my ship wooo!

Regards,

Nas.

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i make a reactor lvl 7 that is about 15500 power. u shdoul have come to see me. i havent foudn a looted reactor that can beat my crafted ones.

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lokiy2j wrote:

As a Pilot I agree, I spent 45mins last night travelling Tatooine lookin for a decent reactor for my tier 1 ship!

I visited loads of shipwrights vendors and eventually got a reactor with over 9k power on the bazzare!! it has like 10500power but now I can power all systems on my ship wooo!

Regards,

Nas.

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Well have to say thats not great for a tier 1, I make lvl 3 reactors with 13100 power rating (someone compared it to a level 7 which was a bit of a strange idea as your not going to be able to use a lvl 7 for a while!).

I do however agree with the original poster that really good loot is a little too common. I have a TIE/In and 1/2 the components in it are RE'd level 4 stuff, 100x better than anything I can make!!! (My resources are very good, some best every to spawn on Eclipse)

It is a little too easy to make a really nice RE component. Take capacitors for example take 1 RE lvl 4ish with high energy, 1 with high recharge, a couple crappy components and bingo: RE Capacitor with 200 more energy and up to twice the recharge of what I can craft with my best resources. I've made a load of these so far its just a bit too easy.

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Vicotnik wrote:

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RagNoRock5x wrote:

Now if they would alow us to put 2 engines into a analasys tool, 1 high preformance the other effective, and combiner there stats. THAT WOULD BE SUPER!!

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That's how it is supposed to be working. Now, I haven't had a chance to RE anything on the live servers yet, but at the end of beta, that was how it was.

To RE something, you need to place as many same level and type components in the analysis tool as their RE level. The end result should be that all items are lost, but a new, improved component will be created. This component should have the "best" statistics possible from all components placed in the tool. (with a small % bonus).

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Thats how it does work. I found a cert 2 capacter with energy storage of 1120 (on the bazaar for 1000 no less) and one one of my guild mates looted that had a recharge of 36.9. I REd them and got a capacter with energy storage of 1142 and recharge of 37.something.

RE takes the optimal stats of all the peices being REd and gives those optimal stats a 2% bonus.

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Mastodon wrote:

as master shipwright, i used almost the best resources spawned along one year to craft Mark 4 components and: except the blasters, armor, shields and reactor, the rest is CRAP compared to the looted components i've got from tier 2 and 3 npc starships.

In ground, one in a zilion times u'll find a better T-21 than the one crafted by an weaponsmith +12.... in space, common loot (1 every 20) is better than the one crafted by a master shipwright..

No f. comments...

Message Edited by Mastodon on 11-04-2004 03:37 PM

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Ok... first off, that's most of the components thata shipwright makes. Same basic concept as Armorsmith or Weaponsmith, they have tons of items they can make but 80% of them are useless and will never be used. The only difference is with AS/WS they won't EVER be use, with shipwrights those components will be used, they will simply be looted not crafted versions.

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owako wrote:

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Vicotnik wrote:

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RagNoRock5x wrote:

Now if they would alow us to put 2 engines into a analasys tool, 1 high preformance the other effective, and combiner there stats. THAT WOULD BE SUPER!!

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That's how it is supposed to be working. Now, I haven't had a chance to RE anything on the live servers yet, but at the end of beta, that was how it was.

To RE something, you need to place as many same level and type components in the analysis tool as their RE level. The end result should be that all items are lost, but a new, improved component will be created. This component should have the "best" statistics possible from all components placed in the tool. (with a small % bonus).

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Thats how it does work. I found a cert 2 capacter with energy storage of 1120 (on the bazaar for 1000 no less) and one one of my guild mates looted that had a recharge of 36.9. I REd them and got a capacter with energy storage of 1142 and recharge of 37.something.

RE takes the optimal stats of all the peices being REd and gives those optimal stats a 2% bonus.

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That's NOT how it works, if you read what he's saying. You are talking about LOOTED stuff. He is talking about PLAYER CRAFTED stuff.


Big difference...

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Vse wrote:

problem with RE a novice SW can do it which i think should be changed or there should be a better % as you go up the chain

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novice shipwrights can only re level 1 parts... who cares about those.

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Vse wrote:

problem with RE a novice SW can do it which i think should be changed or there should be a better % as you go up the chain

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The percentage does improve as you go up the chain: My reactors improved from 1% gain at level 1 to 2% gain at level 2, WHEN RE'ING LEVEL 2 ITEMS..... This stood out to me because I wondered why RE at all if there's only a 1% gain, and on higher level items you have to use the same number of items as the level....... 2 looted level 2 items to get one RE'ed item at level 2, 3 at level 3, etc.

But still, a2% etc gain is crap, when you have to waste that many items to get a gain.

I've made a Cert-7 reactor on Bloodfin that was 16K power. The problem is, it's hugely massive, like all the rest of the crafted components seem to be. In my experience, crafted components have close to 2-3 times the mass as looted components that are only slightly worse in quality. So, even though we are able to make better components for some things, the pilots wont be able to use as many of them, due to mass restrictions.

It's actually a bit out of line, if you ask me. Conceptually, I wouldnt mind having slightly more mass than looted items, due to the fact that our player-made components are better. However, they're certainly not 2-3 times better than the looted stuff, even though they're 2-3 times as massive. In general, I'd think I'd like to see a bit more effect of experimentation in all items. The numbers just dont move that much. You could offset the effect of increasing experimentation effects to some degree by making all of the numbers slightly worse on the initial assembly than they currently are. That way, in order to get back to current baseline, you'd have to spend an experimentation point here or there. In the end, though, it would allow you to create more individually unique components as you chose to emphasize some things over others, or just make a "balanced" version that's slightly better across the board.

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CapnKate wrote:
too bad. getting a comment anyway.

it's true, Engines and capacitors, loot is very often if not nearly always better. Part of the profession is knowing when to craft, and when to use loot.

HOWEVER, using good, but not uber resources, It's very rare that i find a looted Shield, Booster, Armor, weapon, Droid interface, Or reactor that can match what I can craft on the same level. And i have approximately 1000 pieces of loot at my disposal, thanks to my guild loading me down with it all.

So... no, sorry, can't agree.

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The problem is there are some components like capacitors, engines and boosters that when you use UBER resource you cannot match the loot,