Shipwright Archive
Thread: Firespray FAQ
Ty-Kaz
Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:08 pm
#15
Since launch, I've "looted" two discs on the last use of my analysis tool and both times the disc remained in my inventory without problem.
pwiffo wrote:
Q: Will a disk still drop on the last (bugged) use of a component analysis tool?
A: Yes a disk can drop on the last use of the tool (Pwiffo: Ive had this happen personally when I wasnt paying attention), but there have been some posts from players who've seen a disk drop get deleted from their inventory in this case. So for safety, its a good idea to delete analysis tools with only 1 use remaining.
Marzuk147
Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:02 am
#16
Sinikal_Munkey wrote:
Marzuk147 wrote:
I have close to 2 sets now, and have not noticed any more drops from lower level items than higher. Does this mean Im right? No, it just means Im not keeping an accurate written record. People will see what they want to see, that is why simple perception is flawed. Even if someone was keeping a written record, finding a set or 2 of disks is simply not enough to form valid statistics either.
Im not saying this is wrong, Im just saying its an assumption without the raw data to back it up, and as such, I wont take it for a fact until a dev / correspondant states it.
It does make little sense to give a penalty however on higher level parts.Simple perception leads to critical thinking and is reinforced by data analysis. You'll never, ever hear a dev or correspondant reply on the drop rate of the disks. Why? Because it involves numbers. SOE has always been tight lipped when speaking in this capacity. The only thing you'll hear from them is if they have increased or decreased drop rates, but not 1 drop out of 1000 will be a legendary component (just an example).For arguments sake, let's say the average drop rate of the disks is 1/100. With every RE performed, regardless of level, you have a 1% chance of obtaining a disk. My average rate of getting a disk, even a repeat, may be somewhat higher or lower than somebody else's. I RE too many components to keep track of this data. It would consume my entire game time since I basically do all of the RE'ing for my guild and I've got other issues to address.My point is that the general SW community has accepted as common knowledge that the average drop rate is <=1% per RE session regardless of RE level. They have come to this conclusion by sharing their perceptions and posting on the boards. I'll accept this as valid information because my own perceptions appear to agree with what has previously been posted. Somedays I can RE 200 components and get one disk, the next I might RE 100 and get 2 disks. That would equate to a 1% drop rate.
Ive played too many games where people passed around complete garbage as absolute truth and people actually believed it, to simply go on what people feel as fact. Diablo II was a great one for this, so great in fact that there were entire pages dedicated to this kind of thing. You can accept it as common knowledge, but can not prove it without some real data to back it up.
There was just a thread a while back by a guy who thought keeping more Schematic fragments in his inventory reduced duplicates, keeping more REd parts and Fragments in his inventory increased drops, and that there was a pattern to this.. and some people believed him too. See what I mean?
It doesnt make any sense to RE 10 level 1 parts, and have that be 10 chances at getting a disk, but REing 1 level 10 part, and only having 1 chance of it. Chances are pretty good that its just flawed perception in that you can blow through RE1s faster and feel like you are REing faster, thus when you get a disk it feels like you are doing it quickly, compared to having to sort parts to RE a 10.
Again stating that Im not saying that it is this way for a fact, only that it is a possiblity. Devs could come out and say tommorow that this FAQ is indeed correct, and that doesnt make what Ive been saying here wrong, because all Im saying is "Im not certain", and no one can provide anything sufficient enough to sway me one way or another.
BleuDestiny
Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:36 am
#18
I've RE'd close to 800 items since 11.4, and have not seen a single disk. I had 4 prior to that from two week's work. Something seems to have changed with 11.4.
I know its close to 800 items from the amount of houses i've cleared out and how many times. This is intended to drain cash from the game? It's working. What's the point?
Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 12-28-2004 11:06 AM
Marzuk147
Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:56 pm
#19
If the drop rate is indeed somewhere around 1:200 like I have seen stated a few times, it is totally possible and even likely to RE 800 items without getting a disk. It would be like flipping a coin and getting heads 4 times, not the most common but definately possible.
Stratege
Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:48 am
#20
Drop rate is really very strange thing… some time you can RE 200-100 item, but some time 1st 3 items give you 3 disk and then again tons, and tons of killing junk… and also after 11.4 I too don’t any disks, but also I don’t RE much after that…
OHafi
Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:32 am
#22
Well. speaking as someone who apparently doesnt have a life... I have r/e'd just over 3000 parts. I have created two schematics, one with 6 uses, the second with 3 uses. But I did trade for three disks, having had duplicates. I also have 4 extra disks now with 3 left to make my third schematic. Most of my drops came from level 1-3 parts. Nearly all of them came from kuat , sorosuub looted items,mixed with freitekor mandalorin parts. I did notice that 3 disks dropped from schemes using kuat, sorosuub and one other item, providing it was also kuat or sorosuub.
I agree with the others here who say one day you can r/e 300 parts and nothing, the next day do 50 and get 2. It is random and frustrating. Fortunately, my guild donates all my parts, or I would be dead broke. On the other hand, I have donated back most of the firesprays
MonsofoLexius
Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:54 am
#24
pwiffo wrote:
saw a few posts about this creeping back.. bump
Ditto
xDiggerx
Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:38 pm
#25
The majority of you seem to have found that RE level does not impact the kaut disk drop? I have certainly NOT found this to be the case.
Nearly all my disks have come from Level 1 or Level 2 components. Really mostly Level 1. At first I thought this was due to just having more Level 1 stuff as my guild was ramping up pilot status. Not the case. Now with dozens of folks in my guild supplying loot, many in the level 7 or higher category, I can say I have never found a disk in the higher levels. I have even had to ask some of my guild pilots to hit up some lower level space stuff just to keep some level 1 and 2 loot coming into my shop.
I have not kept count but based on the number of crates of component analysis tools I have gone through I am guessing I have RE'd over 4,000 items in game. I have guild halls set up with backpacks and the component/RE level on each backpack...Level 8 Weapons here, etc... my guild just unloads the item into the appropriate backpack. I then can run through and check them everyday, I know if I have enough of one item type/level, and I can RE it. This lets me RE a LOT of stuff fast. I then make all RE'd items available for free back to my guild for use in their ships. Plus I supply my guild with all free chassis and any crafted item (like armor, etc..) that they need.
Arands
Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:43 pm
#26
Marzuk147 wrote:
Ive played too many games where people passed around complete garbage as absolute truth and people actually believed it, to simply go on what people feel as fact. Diablo II was a great one for this, so great in fact that there were entire pages dedicated to this kind of thing. You can accept it as common knowledge, but can not prove it without some real data to back it up.
There was just a thread a while back by a guy who thought keeping more Schematic fragments in his inventory reduced duplicates, keeping more REd parts and Fragments in his inventory increased drops, and that there was a pattern to this.. and some people believed him too. See what I mean?
It doesnt make any sense to RE 10 level 1 parts, and have that be 10 chances at getting a disk, but REing 1 level 10 part, and only having 1 chance of it. Chances are pretty good that its just flawed perception in that you can blow through RE1s faster and feel like you are REing faster, thus when you get a disk it feels like you are doing it quickly, compared to having to sort parts to RE a 10.
Again stating that Im not saying that it is this way for a fact, only that it is a possiblity. Devs could come out and say tommorow that this FAQ is indeed correct, and that doesnt make what Ive been saying here wrong, because all Im saying is "Im not certain", and no one can provide anything sufficient enough to sway me one way or another.
You do understand that you aren't RE'ing 1 (one) level 10 part, right? In order to Reverse Engineer a level 10 item, you need to have ten level ten items. So you gather, wait or buy level 10 capacitors until you have 10. You RE those ten items. You get ONE level 10 capacitor. (or a disk).
Or ... Reverse engineer level 1 capactiors, 10 times. So for the one RE'd level 10 capacitor you did, I was able to RE ten times as many items, thereby increasing my chances of a schematic peice dropping by 10.
A) 10 level 10 items = 1 level 10 RE'd item
B) 10 level 1 items = 10 level 1 RE'd items
Of those two, who has a better chance of getting a schematic? It's like the lottery - the more tickets you buy, the better chance you have of winning.