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Again the excuse "cause I can" is used.

Excuse? Or game mechanics? Why is it a bad thing? Because YOU think it is? Why is FD a fair tactic? Becuase YOU think it is? Look, we're not talking about doing some crazy, unthought of key combination to punish people that go FD. We're talking about simply continuing to shoot people after they perform a skill to avoid death. Obviously, if SOE didn't want you to do that, they'd make it so it didn't damage armor. What I don't get is why you think shooting them while they are FD is such a horrible, dishonorable thing to do (while it is allowed by game mechanics), but going FD to avoid a death blow is such a brilliant move (which is allowed by game mechanics).

Maybe you can, maybe the CSRs dont call it griefing, but that doesnt make it right.

No? Then what makes it wrong?

FD is a skill it is not a cheap shot, taking advantage of that skill and ruining another player's gear is a cheap shot. You do know there is another player at the other end of that computer, FDing to avoid being killed is a game tactic, but black barring and ruining armor is just plain mean.

Mean? You do realize you're simply playing a game and it doesn't affect you in the real world, right? The fact of the matter is, IMO, since some people can go FD and totally avoid any possibility of death, they're doing that with the full knowledge that their "skill" doesn't prevent them from getting black barred or losing armor quality. Yes, FD is a skill and a legitimate tactic that you can use to avoid death. But, obviously, SOE doesn't think you should be able to use FD with no other consequences or people wouldn't be able to black bar or degrad your equipment.

Dude, you need to relax a bit. We're just having a discussion here. :-/

For those that say "no", why? I'm curious. Other than, "it makes my life difficult", why shouldn't someone that FDs to avoid a death blow be penalized? The price for not dying is high wounds and damaged armor.

My question to the folks that are against this is, what should be the consequences to your going FD? Nothing? You think having a free "get out of death free" card with absolutely NO concequences is how the devs intended it?

And typing in large red font doesn't make your point any more correct.

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osefaca wrote:

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Let me guess you are one of the jack a$$e$ that thinks attacking a FD'd person is ok because you can, or because some dumba$$ csr said it wasnt bad to do. When somebody FD's that means you win, maybe you didnt get the deathblow but you won the fight. Why stay and continue to attack just to become a piece of sh!t by black barring or ruining their armor?

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Actually, no. I'm not into PvP. I'm approaching this from an objective, non-emotional point of view, unlike yourself. And, when a person uses FD, it doesn't mean you win. Take a look at EdahFreecloud's comment made back on the first page of this discussion:

I am A BH, I hunt jedi. My last mark still had FD from his smuggler tree. Hes a new jedi, but if you get on the terms you are fair game(topic for the BH forum if you wanna flame me for hunting n00b jedi) I track this guy for an hour or so, finally make my move and he FD's on me after i am about to DB and finish my mission. Now by him doing this I can't complete my mission even tho I have clearly won the battle, now im the griefer for waiting him out and continuing to attack him?? It seems to me that hes the one griefing me...I told the guy I didnt want to make this a big thing and I would let his doc rez him if he would just take the DB like a man...but of course he didnt, he proceeded to call me names and tell me Im a noob b/c I cant kill him. He did make one mistake tho..he left his AV-21 out before he FD'd and couldnt store it. I told him I would not destroy it if he came out of FD and let me finish my mission..well he didnt and the AV-21 had to die.

The jedi used FD to prevent the guy from finishing his mission. He could not "win" the battle and complete his mission.

My question still stands, which you avoided answering and instead went into your emotional ranting calling me a jack a$$. Why is it so bad to continue shooting someone that has FD'd?

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osefaca wrote:

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Let me guess you are one of the jack a$$e$ that thinks attacking a FD'd person is ok because you can, or because some dumba$$ csr said it wasnt bad to do. When somebody FD's that means you win, maybe you didnt get the deathblow but you won the fight. Why stay and continue to attack just to become a piece of sh!t by black barring or ruining their armor?

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Actually, no. I'm not into PvP. I'm approaching this from an objective, non-emotional point of view, unlike yourself. And, when a person uses FD, it doesn't mean you win. Take a look at EdahFreecloud's comment made back on the first page of this discussion:

I am A BH, I hunt jedi. My last mark still had FD from his smuggler tree. Hes a new jedi, but if you get on the terms you are fair game(topic for the BH forum if you wanna flame me for hunting n00b jedi) I track this guy for an hour or so, finally make my move and he FD's on me after i am about to DB and finish my mission. Now by him doing this I can't complete my mission even tho I have clearly won the battle, now im the griefer for waiting him out and continuing to attack him?? It seems to me that hes the one griefing me...I told the guy I didnt want to make this a big thing and I would let his doc rez him if he would just take the DB like a man...but of course he didnt, he proceeded to call me names and tell me Im a noob b/c I cant kill him. He did make one mistake tho..he left his AV-21 out before he FD'd and couldnt store it. I told him I would not destroy it if he came out of FD and let me finish my mission..well he didnt and the AV-21 had to die.

The jedi used FD to prevent the guy from finishing his mission. He could not "win" the battle and complete his mission.

My question still stands, which you avoided answering and instead went into your emotional ranting calling me a jack a$$. Why is it so bad to continue shooting someone that has FD'd?

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Not sure myself about how I feel. I feel that feign death in a jedi mission is maybe a bit much and that it is griefing the other player (the BH ) in this case. The idea that BH have to kill jedi means that if the jedi can always avoid death by Bh using it means a major area of the game is broken - and in this case it is feign death. Feign death may be a skill so use it - but so is shooting specials sodon't complain if someone black bars you, blows up your vehicle, reduces your armor to nothing and then leaves - or even more likely stays and waits till you log out. If it ruins the enjoyment of players doing what is required of them and keeps them from succeeding in something the game actively encourages then it is griefing. As many people have said you can always get up and die like the jedi you are - but you also have the option of remaining feigned and having your stuff burned. I don't like either option as it does hurt the enjoyment of both players.

My idea is that if you feign death and you stay that way for more then 2 mins you become incap-able at this time or you automatically start healing and then once you hit 50% health you can be attacked again. I like the second option more.

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You should regen HAM but once you hit 50% health/action/mind you are forced to stand up - but you can not be shot at while in feign death and you can not regen force power in feign death. - that way eventually the feigner has to fight / but with the option to flee because he should be able to survive a few shots. Also it requires a timer on how many times in a hour you can use it... once per3 mins out of feign should be good enough to keep the smugglers happy and good enough to keep the BHers happy.

As for me as a rifleman -I could care less either way as feign is useful in pvp butI can usually get people incapped before they can hit the feign death button and if they do feign in PvP combat...I kill the base and if they come out of feign deathI kill them ^_^ (of course unless it is a jedi - then I run and get backup)

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Let me guess you are one of the jack a$$e$ that thinks attacking a FD'd person is ok because you can, or because some dumba$$ csr said it wasnt bad to do. When somebody FD's that means you win, maybe you didnt get the deathblow but you won the fight. Why stay and continue to attack just to become a piece of sh!t by black barring or ruining their armor?

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Yeah and what do you call it when they stand their happy asses back up to reapply their bleeds and dots then FD right back again? For a person who just won the fight why is the guy fighting me still if I won?

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Dragonbanisher wrote:

I don't want to be a griefing ass so i walk away. He immediately stands up when i turn my back to dot me and shoot me again. He then FDs again. This whole thing is wearing my armor down and giving me wounds. Does this mean he's griefing me?

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Message Edited by Dragonbanisher on 10-08-2004 09:52 AM

You make a great point Dragonbanisher, an even better example than the one of the jedi preventing a BH from completing his mission.