Rifleman Archive
Thread: Beating Feign Death
This is an interesting option except for one thing, since a live player ALWAYS knows when the FD player is FDed, this system only serves as a vehicle to break FD itself and 1.2 million XP is wasted as the BH and Smuggler (Or whatever has the FD line) are in a fight and the smuggler FDs, the BH ALWAYS knows that this happened as the BH did not do /deathblow so they know, and in knowing they also know it is time to "detect FD" skill which the BH will get to use 100% of the time and even if it is a 50/50 shot at detecting it will be used 100% of the time someone FDs so statistically it is in fact higher then 50/50, so now FD which 1.2 million XP was invested will be tested 100% of the time it is used in PvP as FD only fools in the sense of the flow of combat not the perception of the player and since the victoruous player must use /deathblow to kill a player they will absolutly always know that FD was used on them and will know absolutly 100% of the time it is used against them to try that 50/50 shot at breaking what they already are positive was done. The skill is under disguise as a "Detecttion" skill but is in reality a break skill meant only to counter the other skill, which as the system stands now limits smugglers very much in PvP most of all as it is core to thier profession.
Putting the failure chance on the FD skill results in the same thing save one difference the BH or other opponent doesnt have to waste thier time to "Break FD", sorry "Detect FD" they can just go in for the kill, that is it.
Ending combat with FD forces a stalemate, you dont like it, alot of folks dont seem to like it but if combat ends on FD it does in fact eliminate griefing.
Dotting and FD, well that would end combat and you could heal the dots without fear of getting whacked while doing it and all they got a potshot that will rarely be fatal (Your a bad PvPer if you cant heal a dot while not in combat).
BH hunting a Jedi with FD, has to restart the mission on FD, and both parties lose a small amount of time and cash as opposed to the waiting game I hear some do. Tell me where I am wrong in clearing TEFs and wiping the mission but not the visability (The mission is still on the terms and can be reaquired). Where can legitimate griefing be done? Is it annoying to track em down they FD and you have to get the mission again? Yep you bet, but there is no griefing, no black baring, no killing vehicles, armor, etc and wasting time in the process of coming up with these creative grief tactics. I may not have all bases covered but it seems to me to address all the issues around FD and how annoyed folks deal with it (Usually immaturely from the posts I have seen).
I dont claim it to be full proof but the one thing it does do is change only the part of FD that is beyond annoying, the spiteful parts, like dot and FD, black barring, destroying vehicles and such, these are beyond annoying. Tracking a Jedi who can FD is annoying but not griefing doing those thing I mentioned in response is. I know the expense and time in hunting Jedi, but you could easily not hunt em and never get annoyed by it, you have that choice. The Jedi has to accept PvP as a means within the profession, the BH it is an option so you put yourself into that mess, the Jedi did not ask for you to hunt them, you did that, if they can FD that is valid any means of breaking it invalidates the skill because you as the attacker knows 100% if they are FDing or not so any means to break will be used 100% of the time FD is used and realistically that is unfair, FD is Feign Death, that means they fake their death in an RPG sense unless your truly a psychopath most folks wouldnt "slice up a body to be sure" or "give a few more shots to the head to make sure" that is double talk meant to justify breaking the skill, so that means you shoot, swing a fist or blade, your opponent drops you check his vitals he seems dead, you leave. When FDed that person appears dead, the skill works in an RPG sense but from the player prespective you know he isnt cause you did not /deathblow I know I sound like a broken record but unless you could make it so you seem to DB them FD cannot work as a variable skill, it just doesnt work.
Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-09-2004 11:21 AM
Yeah, while it's true about that, they are not a rare group of NPCs and, well I dont see then problem running to contacts vs. waiting 2 hours for Jedi to stand from FD, the waiting game is on of the more annoying aspects, it elminates that.
The BH's have to buy new droids every time they start tracking their mark. It's not like a medical droid that you can keep forever. Plus they have to go from planet to planet and city to city while tracking. If they don't get their mark, then they not only lose out on the mission reward, but all that time and money they put into tracking it.
Ok here is where I dont have much sympathy, by the time you get to BH 3xxx you have money for those. Droids while not reusable arent expensive either, and niether are tickets, and the reward money isnt banked so you didnt have it to begin with, it was a chance to get it. Money and the small amount of time is very little compared to losing 30-700K XP (which is 300k-7 million weapons XP), it is alot less and if you failed to kill the Jedi, then that money was spent and the reward wasnt gained anyway, so FD ending combat is the same, dont see a signifigant issue with something that minor, it's called risk and so far the BHs have very little of that.
Show me one place on SWG site aside from the forums about being forced into PvP, show my the page number in the manual as well please, it doesnt exsist, you have to ask about Jedi and read the forums to find out about forced PvP, so if you bought the game to play a non-scripted Jedi then you got a big surprise in store. when you lose 30-700k XP, tell me how cheap it is, I mean really BHs have zero true risk and to cry about FD is petty beyond all limits of logic.
FD will never work to make a PC appear dead to another PC, it's a game mechanics issue not a common sense issue, learn to tell them apart. As for gasping for air, lets not get into the "reality" thing cause it's a dead end, it doesnt fly using it, this is a game it's not real life dont apply real life physics. Lastly FD makes you vulnerable, well only total nuts, would keep chopping and shooting a person who appears dead, the "Just to make sure" line is a weak argument to justify FD nerfing, it is clear that you cant accept any end of combat other then total vicctory and a bloody end. There are degrees of victory, face it not every fight has to end with /deathblow, drop the blood lust. You want absolute PvP, get Legacy II it's all PvP, it's not for everyone and it's not advertised that Jedi are forced PvP, you cant prove it, so many folks bought the game not knowing this. Jedi population was NEVER the issue, that is an excuse by bloodlust BHs who want to prey on the weak, VISABILITY is the issue, you can be upset at what you cant see.
