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Thread: The range mod posts in Corre Forums
Aldeon isnot calling for someone to do his work for him, he's asking for the only person who can help fill in the other crucial half of the data to make said arguement. (jaegen) Come and take part in the tests.
Otherwise we get to wait for test center to have a master pistoleer andcompete with Aldeon who apprently (I was unaware of these terminals) cango master whenever he wants.
If Jaegen would just go agree to the tests then we could start to settle this bloody accuracy debate once and for all, and both correspondents can bring back the data as proof with niether side accusing the other of rigging the tests.
And what's the big deal with doing so anyway? It's not like the pistolleers are afraid of finding out they actually are the kings of long range like everyone knows them to be right? Nooo that couldn't be it at all.
The ball's in his court, after all what's he got to hide if like he says pistols are so underpowered compared to rifles?
Gratdo wrote:
You want to be master of long range ? Well, you could up the rifle max range (for example 84 while kneeled and96 while prone), or alternatively, suggest for pistols max range penalties to be tripled. That way, they might possibly hit you, but then, luck can happen, without being an unpleasant hardcoded "you can't do that"
If we Riflemen could up our range, we would have.
Unfortunately, we can't do it on our own. The Devs have to be involved somewhere along the line.
And the Devs have indicated that they are very much NOT interested in increasing weapon range.
Gratdo wrote:
Of course, since you don't want people to believe you're just whining for a way to kite helpless people (you wouldn't want to be able to fire unstyled while running backwards with no risk of retribution, would you ?Yeah, I thought so, wouldn'tbe very sniperish either...), you will probably suggest that Riflemen's "on the move" accuracy penalty be tripled as well, or suggest that riflemen moving speed be reduced (like for 5s after using a rifle, so that macro don't get around that)...
I don't know if he would suggest that.
I know I would.
I would very definitely accept a signficantly larger "firing while running" accuracy penalty if it got me the ability to shoot from 96m out. Hell, I'd gladly accept the complete inability to hit a MOB while "firing on the run" with anything other than a Spraystick if it got me the ability to shoot from 96m out with the rest of my arsenal.
Of course, they'd have to get rid of warping melee MOBs for this to be maximally useful in PvE...
Umm, hello? The point of a sniper is to take someone out efficiently. One shot, one kill, no muss, no fuss, concealed and safe from harm. Aldeon, you say that the Devils aren’t going to increase your damage to the point that you can one or two shot someone at range. The point you should be making to the Devils is that’s the whole POINT of a Sniper class in the first place. And if they aren’t going to give you the damage to make one shot or two shot kills, then you need to be campaigning for the tools to make that possible at the damage levels you can squeeze out of them. If you don’t make your shot as a sniper, you’re SUPPOSED to be screwed. Your op is fragged if you get made.
That’s when you get your secondary weapon out and get ready for the slugging match, cos after you’re made, your target isn’t supposed to sit like a good little mob and say “My heavens, what large mosquitoes they have in these parts.” They’re gonna hop up and try to take out their aggressor. At least any smart prey will. You can’t run from a sniper. They WILL get you. With a Sniper as an opponent, the game is take him out before he gets you.
This isn’t a matter of who’s right or wrong. Both sides of this polarized issue KNOW they’re right about the inadequacies of their professions when compared to the other ones. You can’t argue with a person that KNOWS they’re right. This is a matter of getting our issues fixed. Not flailing about in our anger and smacking the others in the process.
I’ll tell you now. With my best pistol out, a crazed durni can still close with me and hit me once or twice before I get him. With my Laser Rifle and my Marksman 4 Rifle Skill, I can one-shot them if I shoot them at range from concealment with my laser rifle or two shot them before they can close with me. And if they do manage to close with me? You better believe I have my pistols up there on my hotbar to switch to. Am I upset that I can’t up my rifle skills as fast as anything else cos it closes with me and I have to switch? You betcha. Do I complain about it? NO. Cos like anyone with good sense, I expect my target to act sensibly and try to close with me and do something about me when I try to take its head off at range and miss. Would I ask that the durni get nerfed? Frell no man. I want better damage so the shot that didn’t’ blow it in half at range this time will NUKE it after the next update.
I hate to break it to you folks that aren’t aware of it. Rifleman isn’t the only profession that needs to group to be effective. If I get caught out alone by a dire cat or a razor cat, I’m gonna clone. If I want to gain experience at all in a significant way that isn’t a grind as well, I need to be in a hunting party on Dantooine or Yavin. The only things I can kill by my lonesome pretty much guarantee that I’ll make master of my profession in a year or two at my current rate.
By the way. Why are all these Riflemen mentioning Body Shot 3 like it was worth anything? I don’t know of a single Pistoleer that uses Body Shot 3. Body Shot 3 in its present form is useless. For the most part we use Body Shot 2 cos 3 asks too much HAM for too little return. It’s one of the things we want fixed. If your Head Shot 3 takes you out for too little return, demand that it get fixed. As a matter of fact…
DEMAND that you do the same damage in one shot at range that Pistoleers can do in 4.
DEMAND that you do the same damage in one shot at close range that Pistoleers can do in 4
EXPECT Pistoleers to lose accuracy at long range, but still be able to bust 4 at you for 250 if they can hit.
EXPECT Rifleman to lose accuracy at short range, but still be able to bust 1 at you for a grand if you can hit.
EXPECT your target to close with you out of common sense when you try to shoot it.
DEMAND that your Profession be fixed.
And shame on you if you can’t see a way to make changes that benefit everyone without putting out each other’s aiming eye.
PsychoChipmunk: I have no idea why they nerfed the T-21. Having mostly kept to myself on the pistoleer boards, I saw no dissatisfaction with you doing 1000 damage in a shot to our 250 for 4 shots in the same amount of time. I have no idea who was oinkin’ from the boinkin’ you were giving them when the T-21 rocked. I’m reasonably sure it wasn’t the pistoleers that campaigned to get you nerfed. Maybe you should look around for evidence of where that nerve bomb got launched from.
Actually… considering how much the Bounty Hunters squeal about any other class approaching their level of deadly, I have a pretty good idea. But what can you expect from Bounty Hunters? Every kid wants to be Boba or Jango cos they were cool. Since they can’t be Maul or Obi-Wan or Kyle Kataarn, they’re gonna want to be Bounty Hunters. And how do kids react when they get beaten at a game? They make a lot of noise and ask for a handicap so it’s ‘fair’.
Honestly, I’d rather there was an over 18 only server. That way I wouldn’t have to put up with people with more time on their hands than maturity or sense. And I could have my splotch-less bodysuits back to dance in.
BaronJedi, It seems to me that Jaegen is arguing that Riflemen GET your upped damage levels back to go with your reduced speed and that you have your specials fixed. Having already had our damage, defense and defense nerfed to the point of gimpyness, we still haven’s seen any kind of meaningful fix and now someone’s asking that our range get nerfed in order that you can compete in a way that your class was never meant to compete. Aldeon is asking that we lose to your gain unswervingly and for Jaegen to admit that he’s wrong. Whereas we’ve gained nothing for all the losses we’ve already undergone, all to the gain of the bounty hunter class to keep the kids happy. We’re proposing gains for everyone. You’re proposing gain at the pistoleers’ expense. Where’s the compromise in that?
Aldeon, if Limiting Pistol Range and Pistol and Carbine Style Range was only one solution among the 4 you suggested, for the sweet maker’s sake, throw THAT solution out as a hurtful and bad idea. Focus on the positive FIXES for your profession. Not hurting others.
Iodan: If I were a Devil, I know that the first time any correspondant for a profession asked for the nerf of another class, that Correspondant’s profession would instantly get sent to the back of the queue when it came to improvements.
Jaegen: Please do test with Aldeon the accuracy rates of our abilities and weapons if only to end this pointless debate and let everyone here know what we already figured out. That Pistoleers AND Riflemen blow rotten dogs when compared to some Hunter that comes along and spams an eyeshot all over us. That we blow at range. That Riflemen Blow at Melee and that their specials are just as broken as the ones we have that we don’t use.
“Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. You can still win, but that won’t make you any less retarded.”
Ok I got tired of waiting for jaegen to help test with me, so I grapped a master pistoleer from my guild.
He used a FWG5, I will post the results once i clean them up off all un-needed chats. And when a master rifleman logs on, I will to the tests with a weapon that has simlar negatives at close range.
The 3 tests were at 60 meters standing using styles, at 60 meters using no styles standing. , and at 60 meters both moving using styles.
Gratdo wrote:
Yeah, from time to time, I get overly optimistic, and forget that balancing is not at all the most important issue with this game. Bugs are.
I admire your ability to completely ignore the meat of my post -- you know, the bit where I agree that your idea is a good one? -- and instead focus with laser-like precision on the tangential, off-handed comments.
VolstedGridban wrote:
Gratdo wrote:
Yeah, from time to time, I get overly optimistic, and forget that balancing is not at all the most important issue with this game. Bugs are.
I admire your ability to completely ignore the meat of my post -- you know, the bit where I agree that your idea is a good one? -- and instead focus with laser-like precision on the tangential, off-handed comments.
I'm afraid you saw irony and sarcasm where there wasn't, sorry for being unclear.
This is 60 meters both standing there, using no styles.
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[Combat] 11:02:07 Psimon Key shoots at you and hits, but you shrug it off and counterattack!
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[Spatial] 11:02:16 You heal yourself for 941 health and 347 action damage.
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[Spatial] 11:02:18 [GroupChat] psimon: you hear they want to make pistoleers speed not in master?
[GroupChat] 11:02:18 [GroupChat] psimon: you hear they want to make pistoleers speed not in master?
[GuildChat] 11:02:18 [GroupChat] psimon: you hear they want to make pistoleers speed not in master?
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[Spatial] 11:02:21 You must wait before you can do that.
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[Spatial] 11:02:35 [GroupChat] aldeon: well it doesnt matter if they get .5 speed cap
[GroupChat] 11:02:35 [GroupChat] aldeon: well it doesnt matter if they get .5 speed cap
[GuildChat] 11:02:35 [GroupChat] aldeon: well it doesnt matter if they get .5 speed cap
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[Spatial] 11:02:41 [GroupChat] psimon: one more reason bh wont need master pistoleer
[GroupChat] 11:02:41 [GroupChat] psimon: one more reason bh wont need master pistoleer
[GuildChat] 11:02:41 [GroupChat] psimon: one more reason bh wont need master pistoleer
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[Spatial] 11:02:47 [GroupChat] aldeon: lol
[GroupChat] 11:02:47 [GroupChat] aldeon: lol
[GuildChat] 11:02:47 [GroupChat] aldeon: lol
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[Spatial] 11:03:25 [GroupChat] psimon: have combat off
[GroupChat] 11:03:25 [GroupChat] psimon: have combat off
[GuildChat] 11:03:25 [GroupChat] psimon: have combat off
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umm, seeing a correspondant attacking another class is disheartening, saying that pistoleers are gods is downright funny.
a bounty hunter with basic scatter pistol skills can take down a master pistoleer for example (one of a few)
1) rifle attacks mind, the only non-healable bar in combat
2) if you want us to not be able to shoot farther than 30 M i am fine with that if you cant shoot under 30 M
dont attack other classes, you just alienate them and then get in a postition where you will have no support.
PVP is ALL about blue bar combat, end of story.
Sad to see a correspondant being a troll, suggest fixes for you, not nerfs for other classes. Besides pistoleer is not your enemy, it would be BH and Comando that are the living legends, but guess what, they take a lot more skill points to attain! Oh and I guess that the reason you dont attack them is because some people use rifle with those classes too, wouldnt want to hurt yourself at all would you.
geesh, the nerve of some people.
K well pistol won't be shooting 6 to riflemans every 1 shot.The day after the dev made that post saying pistol cap may be moved to .5, holo posted saying it would probabaly stay at 1 due to latency issues.That means pistols will be shooting 1 to 3 not 6 like i keep seeing people saying.The dev told you guys that he would re-evaluate rifle and carbine and upgrade them to make up for the speed cap.
Will he giveriflemen triple damage?Probably not, but you guys may be able to push for double damage which when you add in your ARfactor would be pretty comparable, and at the same time seek a 50% reduction in your ham costs.He also said he would be reducing your 2.5x mellee dmg problem.Thrown in some upped accuracy modifyers and fixes/improvements to some your specials ( eg. take cover ) and suddenly riflemen is looking pretty styling.These are all reasonable requests and like Jageen and other pistoleers have said we would be more then happy to back you guys on them.
Now for the range issue.It's pretty much garunteed the devs will not allow you guys to have extra range while moving.Be it either by nerfing pistol/carbine range or by extending your guys range past 64m.Extended range plus movement equals kiting.Their already trying to fix this problem with mellee vs ranged, why would they want to make it even more a problem.Solution ask for extended range while being either prone or in take cover mode.Yet again this is something im sure other classes could get behind and back you guys on.
The mind shot issue, well this a BH problem and i don't condone asking for nerfs on other classes, so i'll leave you guys to figure out how you want to adress it.Altho from what ive read recently it looks like mind shot will be getting changed anyways.Probably by getting moved to master BH with a lesser equivalent being put in its original tier.Possibly less damage, or possibly have its cost deducted from the mind pool instead of action would be my guess.So this may be a moot point in the end too.
I hate it when classes call nerf on each other when its so much more constructive to try and work together.And i can see how some of you would perceive jageens pointing out speed being broken as an attempt to nerf you guys.I don't think he was trying to nerf anyone he was just trying to point out a very messed up flaw that was negating how the different weapons were supposed to work.Pistols are supposed to be the fastest and under the current speed system this wasn't the case.Riflemen see themselves as masters of long range combat hence you guys wanting extended range, thats cool,but I can't see the devs allowing you guys extra range while moving due to kiting issues.Extended range while prone or in take cover mode is definatley not unreasonable tho.
the logs pretty much speak for themselves and show us why he didnt want to test with you.
many thanks for the great work you did and for defending our profession aldeon!
They wont give us double damage, double damage means I would one shot you every single time. They will increase it by maybe 10-20 percent no where near double. Wich would then royally screw us. I do 300-900 damage on an average, with a few lucky 1k hits with sreafe shot 2. Using a laser rifle. Now Imagine doubling that, 600-1800 damage. (This is PvP) They wont do that unless they want everyone to switch to rifleman. The fact is, they cant compensate damage wise to make up for the speed cap, they wont be able to add enough damage without maknig us extremely overpowered. We officially should get a 3x, but that would just be way to much.
Oh and BTW, do to conection issues doesnt mean much. That just means people with good connections shoot every .5 seconds, and people with bad connections shoot 1 per second.
Remember this entire post is brought up becuase of the speed issues, and if they dont fix range mdos along with speed, you can say good bye to not a few rifleman, but almost all of them.