Rifleman Archive
Thread: You convinced us
I don't think there's any "obvious" imbalance, due to the fact all the other melee classes have a knockdown that is about 1/4th TKA's costs.
Do you know what a difference that makes?
TheRealTK421, nope I don't mind waiting, TKA is perfectly playable right now and I'd much rather see you DE's get fixed up first 
TKA just needs some minor tweaking in PVE and who knows about PVP, I don't think anyone is touching TKA in PVP for a while until a lot of balancing in other classes is taken care of first.
T21: (wishful)
100-400 (min higher than laser, but not much higher MAX hits)
Ap3
Reduced HAM, more in line of E11/DL20
8sec time
Thank you Krupskaya, for your wonderful post. Although i am sure many people wrote great posts... 
The 400+ Range of max damage is right out too because of the way the special skill multipliers work.
Does anybody like the way this looks?
Too strong?
Too weak?
What? =p
AP3
Min 80-115
Max 200-375
Spd 6.5-10.5
Current(High) HAM Costs
-70@0m, -20@50m, +10@64m
Easier if we can give holo more of an idea what were we looking for, which again is not some uber all-purpose superweapon. We want to be slow, and hard hitting, and we don't mind paying the penalties we already pay for it.. it's just gotta be worth something, especially in terms of a specialty rifle.
Holy **edit**! 
hel must be frozen over for this to be happening
Caijal wrote:
K, can you other professions quit hi-jacking our threads? :/
I hope that doesn't refer to me...as a Master Weaponsmith, the T21 is as much mine as it is yours. Plus, I have a more balanced view of things because I *know* the gammut of weapons, and I see how each one fits into *OUR* (yours and mine) game.
The focus of the T21 nerf was the fact that with its AP3 rating and subsequent multiplier, AND the extra multiplier for specials, the damage was severely unbalanced. The "fix" they put in killed the T21 by removing its AP3, not due to its decrease in "stat" damage. The T21 serves a purpose, which is to obliterate heavily armor targets. Losing its AP3 made it a completely worthless weapon (worthless in the sense that it was not worth using in ANY situation). By adding AP3 back into the mix, they've given the T21 its rightful purpose back...against just about any target, the Laser Rifle will be a better weapon to use. However, against an AR 3 target, the T21 will completely outshine the Laser Rifle, as intended. This gives the T21 *a* purpose...it doesn't make it the uber weapon that you guys want.
Basically...learn to carry around several different guns, and learn to use the best one for the job.
.......so, uhh.... we won???? Oh.......it's just that......I had this really long and impassioned speech ready.....I had my soap box polished up and everything........well......thanks......I guess......
;-)
Actually, I'm pleasantly surprised by this turn of events.Thank you Holo and the rest of the Dev team for allowing us to make our case, and then having the good grace to listen.
My opinion of you and your team has risen several notches...
Caijal wrote:
Zam, I think that's a but high heh. We can't have the HAM costs reduced, AND increase the max damage.
The 400+ Range of max damage is right out too because of the way the special skill multipliers work.
Does anybody like the way this looks?
Too strong?
Too weak?
What? =p
AP3
Min 80-115
Max 200-375
Spd 6.5-10.5
Current(High) HAM Costs
-70@0m, -20@50m, +10@64m
Easier if we can give holo more of an idea what were we looking for, which again is not some uber all-purpose superweapon. We want to be slow, and hard hitting, and we don't mind paying the penalties we already pay for it.. it's just gotta be worth something, especially in terms of a specialty rifle.
400 is not a big difference from 375... BUT the main thing is that the minimum should be noticably higher than a laser. Also with the reduction in PvP, i do not see how requesting a reduction in the HAM costs is unreasonable.
WeaponsExpert wrote:
Just as long as you fix the armor piercing on commando weapons, sounds ok to me.
Yea if you fix the armor piercing on commando weapons it sounds good to me....(even thought I think only commando weapons should have AP3 
)
Congrats Rifleman you will now have the best Anti-Armor weapon in the game.
I've avoided the T-21 threads like the plague. But I thought I owed it to the Devs to post this...
It is VERY cool that you guys are willing to come out and admit when you make mistakes/misjudgements. Therewas no attempt to place the blame on players, or on some fluke, just an honest"we were wrong".
/salute Devs
Yet another reason why SWG has the best Dev/Player Relationship in the MMORPG industry. Keep up the good work guys.
WOW, I don'tthink you knowhow much this means to us, We all really appreciate this.
It takes a great team and a man to admit their mistakes, their is nothing wrong with it and it also shows that you do care how we feel.
Thank yo so much for understanding our outlook on it.
DToxWeaponsInc wrote:
BTW, which is the "math" thread that Holo refers to? I posted a "math" reply in the Weaponsmith version of the "T21 Discussion" thread, but have yet to see anything similar around here.
i think it was this one by Krupskaya
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=370235&view=by_date_ascending&page=9
top of the page. very well written.