Rifleman Archive
Thread: Beating Feign Death
SuperFrancotirador
Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:19 pm
#53
FD should be something like Conceal Shot, that works wonders for PvE, but it's useless in PvP
Wabit
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:23 pm
#54
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Get into a regular street fight with someone, lay down and play dead. See what happens.
lmao comparing RL to this game now...
i'm done with posting this in the riflemen forums...the debatebelongs in the smugglers forums... the question to the origional post has been answered... there is not currently a way to beat a FD person...
Wabit
Dynastar
Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:13 pm
#55
I've yet to know anyone or even be banned myself for blackbarring the fools who FD'd infront of me.
They do it, I'll just bring my buffbot out to ensure my buffs never drop.
They do it, I'll just bring my buffbot out to ensure my buffs never drop.
Tyyylowyspetily
Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:01 pm
#56
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Get into a regular street fight with someone, lay down and play dead. See what happens.
Before, or after I threaten them with my raygun?
Berardi
Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:02 am
#57
How did you win the battle did you DB him? Nope you couldnt, he forced a stalemate, and destroying his vehicle and this blackening is childish. That Jedi did not consent to you PvPing him, he was forced into it by the Devs lack of vision.
You seem to think that only death is the end game to this, clearly you never played chess.
Why should someone who cant win, and unless they have something to save them (House, water or FD) they have to die?
What do YOU as the BH lose for just accepting the stalemate? some time, some money, now what does that nppb Jedi lose 2k XP PER SKILL POINT in Jedi skills, Jedi XP is gained about the same rate as combat XP and it takes more points per skill to level up, so your looking at 10 times the work for a skill box compared to you, plus losing 30k+200k if cloning+2k per skill point.
Say that he should have let you kill him if the BHs lost XP like Jedi do on Jedi hunts, I bet you'd sing a different tune alright.
The only motivation for fighting a weak Jedi is preying on those weaker then you, period, your a bully, and destroying armor and vehicles proves it, you can get your easy kill so you abuse what you can, rather the taking it like a man, and acknowleding you have been stalemated you resort to terrorism and schoolyard bulling.
I can complete my mission, how unbelieveably lame excuse to ruin an expensive vehicle. I would really love to see XP penalties for DB on BH on Jedi missions (I know it wont happen but it's nice to think about), get a life try and do something fun and not abuse others trying to have fun, take your lightsaber envy and get a life, that post made me ill.
Padawan Jedi in your opinion should have no way to deal with clearly supior opponents, and you want to nerf one of the professions that needs a nerf less then almost any other.
Tale on a full template Jedi Knight without buffs and if you lose drop a skill, then tell us all how unfair it is to force a stalemate on a forced PvP fight, you do that then I'll respect it if you still feel FD is a cheat, you wont because your not stupid.
Putting FD in the Master slot only stops Jedi, BS! it makes struggling smugglers almost impossible to have fun and XP unless they have other combat professions backing them up. An weaponsmith, armorsmith, smuggler would have a tough time XPing the combat portion of smuggler without FD and you want to take that away so you can hand Jedi over 200k in XP loses, because you dont feel like your having fun without forcing others to participate in your delight, how f**king petty.
You and all the others can hate FD all you want, but nerfing it is not the answer, changing when you get it in smuggler is not the answer, the answer is to make Jedi PvE like everyone else who pays $15 per month, and if a Jedi wears robes, equips a lightsaber in public they become OVERT to EVERYONE, then every single Jedi hater can attack at once, but if they dont equip their gear in public, why should you care and how would you know they are there?
You wouldnt. A city wide gang bang for being a stupid Jedi will discourage them much better then this 1 on 1 crap and it gives all you Jedi haters easy targets.
Seeing Jedi is the issue not killing them, Jedi exsist they are in hiding, so if they hide reward em, if they dont gang bang em in town square and good job to all who wiped the idiot, but that Jedi in the middle of BFE did not ask you to come out there and take his XP and/or eqipment, so dont complain, you lost nothing anywhere near what he did, even if you LOST you would not have lost anything near what he did, it is unfair unbalanced and you know it.
Shut up Bro!!!! If you go Jedi you get hunted. Nothing wrong with that, so I guess your wrong, he did consent to PvP.
That is the worse argument I have ever seen here.
Va-Mei
Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:36 am
#58
"You seem to think that only death is the end game to this, clearly you never played chess."
I don't think that comparing this to chess is the best example. In a game of chess, the outcome is not a pre-determined draw.
Perhaps Tic-Tac-Toe would be a better example. Anyone who knows the game will never loose. They may never win, but they'll never loose.
Hotrodg
Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:48 am
#59
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Get into a regular street fight with someone, lay down and play dead. See what happens.
Get into a real fight and see how effective you are trying to shoot someone in the head while running around in circles firing behind you from 100+ feet away.
Slarus
Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:37 am
#60
Berardi
Shut up Bro!!!! If you go Jedi you get hunted. Nothing wrong with that, so I guess your wrong, he did consent to PvP.
That is the worse argument I have ever seen here.
First off I didnt tell anyone to shut up, second he was forced to go PvP in order to play a freeform Jedi, it is the only prfession forced to PvP, wanting to pay a Jedi only means you put up with PvP it does not mean you embrace that.
people on this board always throw in the complaint about how needed the BH hunting is because we'd have Jedi running around starports without em, this arguement seems to point in, a weak Jedi should have no means to save the huge XP loss that an BH that can easily win against all but the most potent Jedi.
We saw in Episode II have easily owned a BH can get or at best the fight between Jango and Obi-Wan was a draw, FD should be allowable as a form to bring about a draw, since the BH has nothing to lose the BH will always be willing to fight to the death as his own death is meaningless (No Penalty) that in itself creates even more of an imbalance as the Jedi might consider running or some other escape if down to 1/4 HAM, the BH will goto 1 HAM in order to win, but you dont seem to think that it is right to use any tactic to save yourself as the Jedi or when one is figured out, we'd better nerf it so we can get those Jedi to -10 mil XP, why?
Every answer to why hunt Jedi like this is "Dont want to see em running around starports" if you didnt know who the Jedi player was that excuse no longer exsist, if Jedi were PvE and they became OVERT TO ALL FATIONS if equipping robes and sabers in public and in all other cases were allowed to choose PvP, first off the PvP fights would be better because those you hunt are willing and likely not use those tactics as much the payouts would be on the higher end and Jedi would be in hiding.
Being in hiding doesnt mean your constantly hunted, it means you CAN be hunted, since this game is closer to EU then the movies, look at all the Jedi or wannabes out there they were in hiding, they knew if they used thier powers, they would be hunted, but they werent being hunted all the time it was the veil of the hunt that kept the Jedi/Force using element in check in the EU, it can be done in this game too, but it would take power away from bullies on both sides so I'm sure most BHs wouldnt go for it. Worst argument, my butt you know I'm right until a Jedi gets Master Saber and alot of healing they cant go toe-to-toe with a BH, period so when said Jedi is in the wilds hunting for XP a BH comes along (Visability is still rediculously easy to get, and impossible not to get) they should fight to the death knowing they'll lose and lose all the XP they gained plus alot they have to make up, so the precious BH can get his few thousand creds and "feel good", they should be like
"Ok you can kill me, I cant win I'll go get something to drink while you wail on me, no worries I canspend 4+ hours making up the loss, that is until you grab my mission again since it didnt clear on my death and you can kill me again. Oh and if you want to be real cleaver just hag out I'll get a Doc to rez me so you can kill me again I dont feel I have enough of a XPhole you came along at the right time, cause if I ever got better I might win and rob you of your ego trip, thank you"
Wow what a challenge killing a clearly inferior opponent, funny I thought you could PvE for that. But I'm wrong.
Just a side note unless you read the forums or online literature you are not told that you have to PvP as a Jedi, but no everyone knows that you accept PvP if you go Jedi.Nope just checked the box too, no mention of PvP for Jedi there either, and the instruction book says it is by consent only, but Jedi choose PvP and are not forced, ok I'm sure you buy it.
XaverriJade7
Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:55 pm
#61
Hotrodg wrote:
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Get into a regular street fight with someone, lay down and play dead. See what happens.
Get into a real fight and see how effective you are trying to shoot someone in the head while running around in circles firing behind you from 100+ feet away.
100 feet isn't very far...
Slarus
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:35 pm
#62
Try and shoot a pitols accuratly from 10 yards, that's 30 ft see how often you hit a man sized object. Movies make it look so easy dont they?
XaverriJade7
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:44 pm
#63
Slarus wrote:
Try and shoot a pitols accuratly from 10 yards, that's 30 ft see how often you hit a man sized object. Movies make it look so easy dont they?
Done it. So have millions of other people. 
Tyyylowyspetily
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:56 pm
#64
lol. 30 yards is a respectabledistance to pull off a head shot 1 time every second from astanding position.I would say once per second while shooting over your shoulder at a target behind you from the same distanceis a feat for which you should be immortalized in bronze, and to do the same while running, well, we're not worthy. /bow4 .... wait, did you say the target is moving too, and both of you at a full run? 100%, completely as realistic as dropping down in front of an enemy, and pretending to die. This is exactly why real world comparisons have no place here.
XaverriJade7 wrote:
100 feet isn't very far...
XaverriJade7
Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:27 pm
#65
Tyyylowyspetily wrote:
XaverriJade7 wrote:
100 feet isn't very far...
lol. Great start
30 yards is a respectabledistance to pull off a head shot 1 time every second from astanding position. One headshot wouldbe enough I think.I would say once per second while shooting over your shoulder that's the animation, not how anyone with a brain would actually do it
at a target behind you from the same distanceis a feat for which you should be immortalized in bronze, and to do the same while running, well, we're not worthy. /bow4 .... this makes no sense to me, but I'm guessing it doesn't really have a point. wait, did you say the target is moving too, and both of you at a full run? I don'tknow where I 'said' that, but itwouldn't be hard to do. Especially since firing several times per second is perfectly realistic.100%, completely as realistic as dropping down in front of an enemy, and pretending to die. This is exactly why real world comparisons have no place here. I never said real world comparisons should be made- only that 100 feet is not that great a distance when shooting at something in real life. I don't think they should make the game's combat system the same as reality, but at least basing it off of such would be nice. Taking several shots to kill someone is much more believeable than hundreds and not as unbalancing as one. So anyone who advocates consistent one-shot kills is just as wrong as anyone supporting the current system.
The only points I wanted to make were these: The range in this game is ridiculous and hitting something in real life is far easier than hitting something in this game can be.
There is really no point in arguing though because no matter what they do with the combat system, it will never require real skill, but only character skills and preparation.
Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 09-29-2004 08:28 PM