Rifleman Archive

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Raloorn wrote:

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Philosopher1976 wrote:

But Aldeon went about things the wrong way, especially with the whole range cap idea and with his long list with a bunch of crazy changes (100m+ range, etc).

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the 100m range was another Riflemans idea that list under the Vote Thread was compiled under another post.

It wasn't his idea at all just another riflemans

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this post

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=rifleman&message.id=16885

LOL I agree Lodinn. The Devs have no idea what balance is, and it's basically up to us to try to figure it out for them or just to scream at them until they figure it out themselves.

By the way,I think that those 5/30 second changes in the update are an error -- they're just a repeat of last month's changes. You can fire KD/posture change/whatever once every 30 seconds and the person is immobilized for 5 seconds.

Although personally I haven't seen Suppression really keep the person down for 5 seconds anymore, it's more like 2 seconds to me so I don't use it much.

Can we go back to wanting BH nerfed now?

and yes Devs didnt know what they were doing.. I mean look at .. pistol melee D 2...it does nothing.. but costs more than Pistol D 1 which is a knockdown LOL. And look at master profesions.. Hell Master pistoleers had an Area KD before they fixed it.

We then found out Master Rifleman and Carbine can shoot just as fast as us even though we are supposed to be the speedy ones.

Look at CH they were able to have 3 Gurrecks out at one time.

Now i wont say the devs are morons or stupid.. but they defintly were not able to predict the future of there own game

I thought they said they were giving US a 5 second delay after using KD?

Raloorn is right, I think Aldeon is getting alot of heat for something that another Rifleman suggested. That is why we had the vote we did.

We as a community needed to weed out alot of the stupid requests and find a balance within our own community.

Unfortunately as Aldeon later commented on in the Vote Post... we had alot of Rifleman voting YES to all with no explanation as to why. This is kinda stupid because ALOT of them would need to be a blatant NO or would need to be reworded or rethought.

Against what most other people think, we Rifleman are not asking nor wanting to be gods, we just want to find SOME kind of balance internally and with the rest of the community.

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BaronJedi wrote:
Well I will say this before going to bed...What the devs need to do is just make a short post on the niches of all weapons. Tell us what a pistol is intended to do and what a rifle is intended to do. And then we can go from there.

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Not that it means anything but I made a post on the Discussion forum about our(pistol rifle carbine) asking for a description of our niches.

Maybe if we keep it up there enough they will answer ... then again maybe not.

Displaced ... no they just reduced the internal timer from 15 seconds to 5 seconds. It used to be, prior to last month's patch, that I could pistolwhip a mob and they'd be immobilized for 15 seconds. Even if the animations showed that they were standing up, they were really down when you looked in the combat window. As of last month it was changed to 5 seconds, although I've seen more like 2-3 seconds at most personally.

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LodinnMalignitas wrote:

Raloorn is right, I think Aldeon is getting alot of heat for something that another Rifleman suggested. That is why we had the vote we did.

We as a community needed to weed out alot of the stupid requests and find a balance within our own community.

Unfortunately as Aldeon later commented on in the Vote Post... we had alot of Rifleman voting YES to all with no explanation as to why. This is kinda stupid because ALOT of them would need to be a blatant NO or would need to be reworded or rethought.

Against what most other people think, we Rifleman are not asking nor wanting to be gods, we just want to find SOME kind of balance internally and with the rest of the community.

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i just want a Block from radar and ill be happy

pick up ranger :d

I think what we need to do is have a Co-Thread between the Pistoleer / Carbine / Rifleman professions and try to come up with something that is not only acceptable but beneficial to all of us.

We have to compromise and find some kind of middle ground that will work to all of our satisfactions.

The Devs have in a sense lost control of their vision but I think this was just short-sightedness on the possible combinations of professions and how they themselves would directly affect game balance.

There are so many variations a single character can take that I can understand how this was underestimated but it has to be addressed.

Personally I dont think any SINGLE profession (Other than maybe Bounty Hunter) that is a god in its own right.

Riflemans have their disadvantages, as do Pistoleer, Smugglers and so on. The problem is more that there are so many *Advantages* to each class that with the right combination (Ya know, the flavor of the month Powergamer combo) you can effectively reduce your *disadvantages* to a degree that you hardly notice.

Yep I think you're right Lodinn. We have to work together to come up with some sort of balance. Our correspondents don't seem to be working together so we'll have to help them out or nudge them in that direction. LOL

I do agree that the hybrid/dabbling issue is a big one, and the Pistoleer forum is full of gripes about that too because right now it's pretty much pointless to advance in Pistoleer when the best pistol template involves bits and pieces of three other classes and only 1 box in Pistoleer.

The Devs definitely need to fix that issue and also find a way to balance the classes against each other. I think it looks like we'll have to help them with it because they aren't good at doing that themselves. haha

But in that Co-Thread we have got to do the following without a doubt.

1. No flames

2. No Uberness talking

3. Everyone be constructive and try and take a logical point of view from ALL views.

4. Be able to admit that we need more info or raw data on a certain topic before we start making any conclusions.

And Finally just try and be civil and realize that we all can and should be in this for the over all gameplay of everyone.

I realize if you look at my threads I have flamed Jaegen but that was out of frustration from his Trolling and from his very closed minded viewpoint.

We really ALL need to work together because I personally dont want to see this game fail.

Fair enough, I think that makes sense 100%.

I think the reason Jaegen got angry and trolled is because of some issue between him and Aldeon. He's generally regarded by all of us as super-rational, sane, hard-working, etc. He was the person who discovered the speed equation and created nifty DPS charts so we can see how crappy all of our specials are, etc. LOL

So we can make it work. We just need to get the other people on our side to be interested in working together on it.