Rifleman Archive
Thread: Zarl0k, zip your howling screamer!
Kona_Combine:
First of all, honestly, i do not understand your hostility, but i think it comes from a deep misunderstanding...
Kona_Combine wrote:
InquisitorPayne,
I keep seeing you post saying too use the Marksman line weapons, do commando's ever have too revert too Marksman weapons? or maybe your brawler skills? No they dont so why should a Rifleman be forced too use the 20a, E11, and Laser Rifle? The T21 needs too be fixed and a lot of rifleman problems will be fixed magically.
I agree in every single aspect, that the T21 deserves and urgently needs a fix. The HAM cost are simply way too high to be used efficiently. But wha you got wrong is what i was saying. I told you only, that in my opinion, the DLT20a and the E11 are an alternative UNITL the T21 is fixed. I encourage you to further report to the devs to get your rifle back to were it once was, because, homnestly, i never thought it overpowered. Most of my Riflemen buddies still have a Pre-Nerf T21 and the damage is in no way what i would consider unablancing. It is tough, hard hitting and devastating, but it can be countered. Only because some people don't think in combat there is no need to nerf a profession. And, basically we have to go back WAY beyond Novice marksmen, when we start over once more with Novice amrksman. You can't use a Flamethrower efficiently until you rfeach Tier 3 in the Flamethrower tree. But i absolutely agree with your above statement.
Yes, heavy Weapons doing Melee DMG is super gay. We all know this.
Yes, we all do 
Yes FlameThrowers can clear 3k on a non-Rifleman in PvP, yes they can clear 10k dmg in PvE. Yes FlameThrowers need too be adjusted, the secondary DoT attacks are what needs adjusting as well. I have no problem with frontloaded dmg, but the secondary 1-2k Fire DoT needs too be toned down. I understand its on fire and needs too take dmg but not that **edit** much.
Honestly, i see no way in wich i could possibly deal 12+K damage with a Flamethrower without the help of a Bug or against an undefended lair. If you claim to have witnessed such a Hit, i can not counter that, nor would i try to. But to tell you my side of the Story:
I have one of the best Flamethrowers ever made (1022 max damage). The only other way, i could possibly think of a Flamethrower that deals so mmuch more damage than you claim, is in using Materials with 990+ ratings in all relevant qualities AND Krayt Tissue. I have never seen such a weapon, therefore i am unable to deliver comparable damage numbers. But the MOST damage i have ever witnessed in PvP done by a Flamethrower was 1900 damage against an unarmorde target (an extremely lucky shot). That is a lot, but still way below your acclaimed number of 3K. Outside of PvP the highest number against a non-Riflemen, non-lair target was 9.203 damage, still below 10K.
On the other sie i totally agree with you and i support Flamer DoT to be reduced by armor efficiency. This would severely limit the use the Flamethrower but further balance and enhance the game.
I actually feel sorry for imperials now who spent all those faction points on AT-ST's just too have them killed by a flavor of the month NoTalentAssClown. Commando's are suppose too kill AT-ST's but not without Risk, and sure as hell not solo.
Sorry, if i may sound harsh, but that sentence can only come from a non-commando. Have you ever fought against an AT-ST? Without the use of a pet, and cover to use, i have a 50% chance of success. I need a Bloodseeker mite to solo an AT-ST (in that case without ris though, granted). But as soon as i face 2 AT-STs, both, my bloddseeker mite and me are dead. Second: I know of only few commandos, that are able to take down an AT-ST without help. Not because their weaponry is faulty, but because they lack the skills to do so. It is in no way suffiecient to reach Flamethrower 4 to kill an AT-ST. You need to know how to use your weaponry.
Only issues Rifleman have with Commando's is, the Melee DMG they do with shoulder mounted weapons, and the fact that our class defining weapon was nerfed because it could do 3k dmg but you guys are running around doing 10k dmg. And acting like total asses about it too. A Commando with a TEF on someone is insta-death for that person, and again the commando community rubs it in other peoples faces.
So, did i get this right? You want to have the commando chaned because the Developers made a wrog decision? You want to grief and unbalance a whole profession, because you diagree withg a decision the developers made with your profession? I agree, that the nerf of the T21 was unjustified. But the nerf of the commando is unjustified as well. So basically, given i got you right, you want strike other people with the grief you had to endure, because you cant reach the persons that were responsible for your giref on the first hand? (the devs).
Please return too the NoTalentAssClown Boards please......and leave ours, we actually have too use skills and tactics too kill stuff in PvE and PvPm, something you woundt understand.
Now you are personal. You have no idea, what i have to endure in PvE and PvP. There are a lot of tactics you have to use in PvE and PvP as a commmando. That is one of the reasons, why i am better than most commandos in both of it. Don't deny me my skills and simply state i have none. basically, we have similar problems. You have to stay away from your targets and i have to get close to targets. Outisde of our ranges, we are both DEAD.
Fred Skinner wrote:
InquisitorPayne wrote:
P.S.: if you were hit for 1.500n damage in PvP, that equals 6.000 Damage outside PvP, which is WAY below yor acclaimed 10+K. Secondly, it is your fault if you:
- get within 16m of a commando
- wear no armor
- wear no shield generator
- complaints of kiting abound. I'm personally tied of running like a girly man
- can't wear armour or we incap after the first shot. That is NOT an exaggeration
- at 250% damage no shield gen works.
I know the problems of the rifleman, but basis is: stay away from a commando. idont care HOW you do it, but you may not complain if you get inside it's killing range. I also know how armor encumbers you and that was yet another reason why i proposed to try out a DLT20a, wich can be used in conjunction with armor. Of coure it is your decision and i cant make it for you, but it would help and i think it is worth a try. At least until the T21 is fixed. As for the 250% damage. We all now this is BS and we all want to get this more than annoying bug fixed. Honsetly, i would even like to see that damage multiplier from melee damage to be taken away from the rifleman completely.
I hope you can understand me better now.
DarthPinner wrote:
am a rifleman and have incurred all these problems. I have over come a few but with time. I have read this entire post and the problem i have and had was that you have to be MASTER to deal this damage. It is stated over and over again throughout all the replies. The long trees up to that point have been fruitless, with the carrot dangeling over our heads that all will be good when we reach a master rifleman.
I can understand that very well, but yet again, i simply encourage you to address the developers to finaly fix your broken profession. But is this a reason to cry for the nerf of another profession?
However I did find it amusing that when the rifleman could deal a 3K shot it took hours for that to be taken away(i can't remember the exact value as we only recived T-21's on our server a week ago), but when the commando weapons came and the same damage was dealt the uproar from the rifleman community was all but ignored.
Well, i think i know why... The riflemen wwere able to deal that amount of Damage over full distance (or so everyon perceived it). The commando weapons though needed to be within alomst melee range. It is rather easy to avoid a commando if you move and i unsderstand that a moving rifleman is all but useless. But this is where teamwork comes in. I totally disagree with the damage nerf of the T21 though.
The dev's said "thats the way I invisioned the commando's to be. I see nothing wrong with it and it's not going to change."This was a major slap in the face. I choose to be a rifleman to be a different character than everyone else. Everyonedoesn't want to be a BH or Commando like a great majority of the people, I enjoy being unique.
Nothing i could say about that.
Oh and one last thing, I am a wookiee and therefore own a bowcaster. The devs madethis weapon a rifle, not me. So wouldn't the most logical tree to climb to get bonus' to a rifle weapon be Rifleman?So InquisitorPayne when you say i should have known betterfor playing a wookiee because you knew they couldn't wear armor I take offence to this.
Where do you take offence in this. You are not the group of wookiee players i was addressing. Unless of course you are part of the whini´ng wookiees that want to have armor as well. I haven't seen you write anything like that, so you are simply a wookiee player for me. hell, most of my friends play wookiee. God knows i have nothing against wookies. If you wanted to use a bowcaster (in my opinion THE Wookiee weapon of all, combined with Rykk Blades as personal sidearms), then yes, rifleman is the perfect choice. But i do not understand in what way i interfered or objected your choice of Profession. I think Rifleman is an interesting yet broken profession. what would i gain in talking people out of it. I never did and i never will.
I do not understand the hostilities against me, when all i did was asking one person (well, now it's two, accounting for Krupskaya) to stop posting their personal hatred in an attempt to nerf a profession due to nothing but a personal grudge against certain PERSONS. I never cired "nerf the rifleman" i neer said "nerf the T21" i never said "be happy as you are and shut up", i never said anything against the rifleman profession, but still, i get jumped at, for no apparent reason. I know the reasons of Zarl0k and Krupskaya, but the other hostilities against me, i honestly do not understand. Please enlighten me.
Dogg
InquisitorPayne wrote:
I have seen you bitching all around on the forum crying for an unjustified commando nerf only due to the reason that once upon a time several commandos (pre nerf) complained that a T21 had AP3 and the commando weapons not. They did not want the T21 nerfed, they simply wanted to have AP on their own weapons as well.
Now you started a campaign of half-truths and outright lies. You permanently and continually ignore facts or reasons. You actively try to deceive the community and you plant deceit and anger in those not willing to read up things on their own.
You are a rifleman and you know as well as i do, that riflemen are in every aspect at least equal to the damage output of a commando. I am travelling with riflemen on a daily basis and the damage they deal surpasses mine by a great amount. But am i crying for a rifleman nerf? NO! If you are a halfway decen minded rifleman, you use a DLT20a or an E11 rifle, Krfayt enhanced, damage slice by a master smuggler (avg. 35% slice) and you will deal far more damage than i do as a master commando, with barely noticeable effects on your HAM pools.
You know that, i know that and every master Rifleman knows that. Don't make yourself look like a fool in denying that!
So, as a final note, i ask you to stop your campaing against the commando wich was born ot of unjustified anger and personal emotion. Feel free to post constructive criticism, but in every aspect of the commando profession you have lost your right for criticism, as you are most obviously biased.
Dogg
I think the hostlities come from some of the replies you have given in the past. When you attack one Rifleman you attack us all, you can go to the commando board and see it as well (people of the same profession seem to stick together. 
I believe every Rifleman feels that the dev's have not and do not listen to our ideas.
Now to address a couple of points. What to stop a commando from getting a Kryat enhanced weapon as well. If it's the charges on the weapon and the arguement is that they won't last as long, I must knowrich commando's because some have Kryat enhanced weapons, therefore this will negatethe enhancement on my rifle.
Also why run around if you are attacking me? I miss enough when i'm prone at 65m. With the -50 penalty for moving I never hit, well maybe 1 in 10 anyway. I may as well stand there and let you kill me, as this is the outcome weather I do anything or not.
Oh and as a wookiee i don't feel we should have armor, however (and this is for another topic) if the BE enhancements actually worked I would have some defences.
I am amazed this is even being discussed.
THEY ARE CHANGING THE DAMAGE TYPE TO RANGED. When the patch goes live we as Rifleman really have no complaints. Their special damage is a non issue, their ability to level is a non issue. This games content is PvP, if you disagree and think it is PvE then enjoy the extra time that it will take to level up a Rifleman.
Some rifleman on this board tries to spin every single thing and show why Rifleman are gimped, when anyone with a half a brain and actually PvP's knows they are talking out of their arse.
DarthPinner wrote:
think the hostlities come from some of the replies you have given in the past. When you attack one Rifleman you attack us all, you can go to the commando board and see it as well (people of the same profession seem to stick together.I believe every Rifleman feels that the dev's have not and do not listen to our ideas.
Now to address a couple of points. What to stop a commando from getting a Kryat enhanced weapon as well. If it's the charges on the weapon and the arguement is that they won't last as long, I must knowrich commando's because some have Kryat enhanced weapons, therefore this will negatethe enhancement on my rifle.
Also why run around if you are attacking me? I miss enough when i'm prone at 65m. With the -50 penalty for moving I never hit, well maybe 1 in 10 anyway. I may as well stand there and let you kill me, as this is the outcome weather I do anything or not.
Oh and as a wookiee i don't feel we should have armor, however (and this is for another topic) if the BE enhancements actually worked I would have some defences.
It may look like i attacked a fellow rifleman, but fact is, that because he saw the nerf of the T21 unjustified (to which i agree), Zarl0k started a personal Crusade to get the Commando nerfed and filled the boards with unjustified claims and personal insults against commandos. Therefore i did not attack him but simply reacted to his attack in a means to defend myself as well as my fellow commandos. Given your personal point you should understand this reaction. I have neither a personal querry with Riflemen, nor do i have a grudge against them. In my eyes, the Rifleman Profession is yet simply another broken Profession that deserves both, a fix and some improvement.
AmonTdow wrote:
How about you all **edit**.
There now that I got you good and pissed off...
To everyone who says I've tested it, blah blah blah. Post screenshots. Without it.. sorry your a liar.
I can say My DH17 carbine hits for 1,000,000 dmg, and insults your mom for 500 mind bleed. But untill I post a screenshot of it doing it. It's just one of those, "Well my friend ...." AKA I have no proof, so I'll say it's my friend...
I totally agree. That is why i will list the numbers as soon as i have done the testing i promised. I apologize for the delay, but the online times of my fellow Riflemen buddies and me diverse a bit atm, to say the least, so i won't be able to do thorough testing before the weekend. I will try to post screenshots as well, but as i lack webspace to upload them , i will most surely be doomed to only post numbers in this board. All numbers i ahve given so far are nothing but rough estimates, taken from personal experience. The numbers i will post will be the work of a through field testing against armored as well as unarmored targets in PvE as well as PvP. Again, i apologize to keep you waiting.
Dogg
If you have a point, take a screenshot, do some testing and post it. OTherwise. you HAVE NO RIGHT TO GRIPE! Your not helping anything. Take a screenshot, prove a commando just shot you for 15K dmg, you say you see rifles doing 6,500 dmg shots, when it happens, take a screenshot. Add some proof to your words. If we all did this, this place wouldn't been the cess pool it is right now.
AmonTdow:
I've done the first series today, including DLT20a in PvP, Kneeling, against aromred and unarmored, moving and Non-moving target and Flamethrower against Moving target. I decided against a screenshot, as every series consits of 25 shots. I've done a Combat Log and will ost the combat Log instead, discussing the numbers and comparing them based on the test experience.
Give me some time to sort all out so that i can give you an easily accessible template.
Expect the Logs posted in about 12 hrs, maybe tomorrow. It is hard to give an exact timeframe as i got tons of stuff to do today. But i will try my very best to support you with hard numbers asap.
I totally agree that a discussion based on rough estimates is void. But i wanted to adress that i never tried to argue witch weapon is better, but only that a Flamethrower is not better than a T21 and that a DLT20a is a good alternative to the T21 if you want a weapon with lower mind encumbrance that still is a Good PvP/PvE weapon.
Again i apologize for the delay and plea for some more patience. It is very time consuming to do a through testing and therefore it takes me a while to post the numbers.
respectfully
Dogg
screenshots....only feasible proof. 100% proof. That vs the same target under the same circumstaces a DLT20a user doesnt get blown away. You show me inhow many secondsa DLT20a can incap our targetfaster thana krayt laser rifle and T21 rifle. Its not goin to happen, stop trying to shove this DLT20a stuff down our throats, TIME IS LIFE....at this point who cares about ham costs if you kill him first and faster, thats what matters. Remember, the longer in combat, the more chance we have to die. I would like to see this done vs a BH (eyeshot + LLC), a pistoleer, a smuggler and a commando. Show me how a DLT20a is better for PvP than our elite weapons, show me with screens, not tell me with "logs". You said screenshots so dont back out, logs you can fabricate.This is becoming annoying, come back with proof or a new thread with a realistic subject and Im sure youll get more positive feedback from our community.
It seems you did not catch this reality:
In a PvP battle, what are we (riflemen) looking for.....a) 11-30 shots to kill a guy with minimal ham costs to us, and a medium to strong chance we die (dlta20a / e11 / tusken)..... b) 1-15 shots eating our ham, and a low to medium chance we die while potentiallyincapping more than one guy (laser / T21).....Any rational combatant would take b).
Gargangargantua:
I never said the DLT20a is beter than the T21! Where did you get this from? I said: It is a viable alternative if the Mind encumbrance of the T21 is too high for your taste.
Second: You need only 3-4 shots to kill ANYONE in PvP.
You don't need to believe me, i will post the logs later on. Just came home and didnt have time to bring them into shape for easy reading. This is a difficult task, as i do not want to change them.
BTW:
Do you really want me to post 200 screenshots? Be plausible. Neither for you, nor for anyone will i go through such a harrassment.
Either you accept me posting a Log or you shut up! You don't need to agree to my discussion, but it is absolutely stupid to hit the Print screen every second just to have 4 to 5 mumbrer interveined. Yolu could not see **** if i posted a screenshot. Only the Logfiles give some credible data. As all used Weapons have no armor piercing, it does not matter whether or not i post a screenshot. That is the reason, why i did not post the T21 experiments, as they are hard to validate, as i needed to post a screenshot for every shot. That is simply rediculous.
Dogg
P.S.: I was never offensive to you, so tune down your tone, mister
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Oh I almost forgot, I love my Rifle.
YarKi:
Very fine edit job. Totaly out of context, but very fine nevertheless. You missed one important aspect though:
A Rifleman is not a Frontline PvPer. He needs support and backup. Once he is on his own, he is toast, period. If you have backup, if is rathger easy to stay more than 16m away from a commando while kneeling and still hitting about everything he aims for.
Btw: in no way of the meaning of the word am i to be considered a troll. Read up what it means, before you use terms that you don't understand. My posts are both, constructive and with idea to help in mind. What have i done so far:
- i explained that a DLT20a has (in the hands of a master rifleman) the same or more damage output than master commando using his only unbroken high-damage weapon
- i proposed the DLT20a as a viable alternative to the T21 if you think the T21s mindcost are too hihgh for you, until the T21 is fixed and brought im line with the other weapons
- i explained the Bugs of heavy weapons that caused ridiculously high damage hits from heavy weapons
- i defended myself against attack in a reasonable manner althout sometimes emotionally affected
- i tested out the DLT20a in comparison to a flamethrower in PvP in an endless testing phase (under construction)
What am i beeing accused of?:
- trolling
- personal offense
- trying to rip you from your beloved T21
- trying to get Rifleman nerfed
- beeing a liar
Is it only me, or are there several Riflemen that simply do not read the posts, but lay cards and divine their content? Are you casting dice to decide your reply, or do you use a magic eightball?
You won't get me away from this forum by such means, you will only get yourself reported. I will not leave this board, until Zarl0k personally promised to cancel his personal crusade and only continues to post reasonable and constructive criticism so that we all get a better game.
Honetsly, i don't mind you thinking Commando weapins are overpowered. I simply want you to admit they are not. After that, you can decide the earth to be flat, hell to be freezing, commando weapons to be overpowered.....
Once, only once. Stop your biased views and really think which wepon deals wich damage and then tell me, honestly anf without neither the intend to flame or to deceive, wether you think Commando weapons are overpowered or not and why.
Corporate Dan:
I AM master commando. And you get no speed bonuses as a master commando. The 11 seconds i need to recycle my special is the fastest it gets without a spedd slice. A really good speed slice would get it down to 8 seconds, but the damage will drop significantly! (and i mean significantly as in 3000 damage less).
I have no reason to doubt your experience, but it is impossible in PvP to deal 1.250 damage without a special (actually, this is the damage of Flamesingle 2). As specials can not be used on a range farther than 16m you must either have been victim of a misconception, or a bug.
Dogg
IQ.
1) you said screenshots, telling me to shut up? I think as the saying goes you should "put up or shut up". That is very rude to say to a member of the communtiy you are trying to talk with.
2) you are talking out of your rear and are trying to troll:
"lol, sorry to drag it back here I only wondered where i could find him and thought the riflemen board would be a good idea"
3) We have all used the DLT20a before, we know what there like, how the hell can a commando help the riflemanprofession, we have master sharpshooters and a correspondent for that who know what they are talking about because we have shot every rifle in the game thousands of times,this is drivle:
"See, i only try to help you and your profession to use the momentary system to their best advantage. I don't want you to change your weaponry but i want to encourage you to try out something different and then decide wich one you like the better"
4) stop ranting here unless you post screenshots
"Remember: This game ought to be about fun! Don't try to rip the fun from others, try to find some fun in the mus of Bugs."
5) SHOW ME, STOP TELLING ME, It takes a T21 or Laser 3-4 shots in the most ideal situations,show how a DLT20a does this:
"Second: You need only 3-4 shots to kill ANYONE in PvP."
6) I have talked with other master sharpshooters in game on my server and they all say it would take them an hour to kill anyone with a lesser rifle, STOP PUSHING THIS STUPIDITY
7) after the changes with combat this will be looked back on and laughed at, as a waste of time, why the hell I even bothered to converse with you is beyond me, your claims of being "friends" with master sharpshooters have gone nowhere. I think that atleast one of them would have come here to back you up by saying " Hey, in PvP I use a DLT20a, I dont get blown away before I kill the other guy"
8) too bad you couldnt death blow threads............
9) why dont you use a speed sliced DLT20a for faster output and better DPS than a flamethrower you fruit.
10) stop taking line for line what people say and trying to rip them, this has been going on for almost a week now and is begining to seem like you areharrassing these riflemen, again dont be a hypocrite:
"Neither for you, nor for anyone will i go through such a harrassment. "
11) do what you have claimed you were gonna do which is post screenshots, again if you post "logs" I will only think you fabricated them for your sake.
12) apparently "Zarl0k" is not going to respond, so stop wasting your time.
13) let the thread die...........
PS Before you start a reply to ever little thing I just said, sit back, relax a sec, read through again and pay particular attention to #7, then read #10, then read them all again, a few times, chill out, wait for the patch, and again I wish you the best of luck and
may the force be with you