Rifleman Archive

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Seflyn wrote:

The DLT isn't "a piece of bantha poodoo" but neither is it the answer to all rifleman problems. As for the E11, it very much depends on your server. If the resource needed for it is good on your server you can get superb E11s, however if the resource is poor they are hardly worth buying.

What I'd like to see ismelee gain some more protection against heavy weapons, after all they have to be close to even try and hit people.

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And with that, I would like to point out the specific resource penalty when buying rifles, compared with commando weapons that can now use the best of all the types of resources needed.

Not that it's a bad thing, I would just like to bring it out into the open.Once more.

I agree that once the melee type damage is changed on commando weapons, a lot of things will be fixed, and then we can re-evaluate the situation. This won't mean that riflemen will be fixed, but we won't be as "gimped" as before when dealing with commandos. I really feel that commandos are where they should stay.

I also don't think that master riflemen should have to use a DLT20a just to be competitive. That's a first tier rifle for god's sake.

But whatever.

Denzien, Bria server


Artisan 3/0/0/4          Scout 4/0/4/2


Brawler 4/0/0/0         Smuggler 1/0/1/0


Marksman 4/4/0/4      Rifleman 4/1/3/3

I was trying to stay reasonable to a certain extent, but you donÄt even read what i wirte. You simply read what you wnt to read, just like Zarl0k does. maybe you are just another account from the same person.

but for your reply...

Krupskaya wrote:

"I personally prefer a rude title and a nice and plreasant content over the opposite. A point of view you, most obviously, are unable to follow."

It's called hypocrisy. Claiming the higher ground while thoroughly soiling it. Just a point of view? No, its called making a self-contradictory idiot of yourself.

What a riposte, i admire your oratory! You got anything else but insults?

"Next, and now listen closely, as yo already made yourself look like a fool:"

I'm unsure of who you are referring to with this mysterious "yo" . . . assessing 'yo'-self, perhaps?

How witty! Making use of typing errors in other person's posts? You got nothing else to defend yourself with?

"Take a DLT20a, give that to a master Rifleman, using Flurryshot2 or Flushingshot2. This person will hit 8 times minimum and about 11 times normal in the time one of the commandos scores a hit."

Another grotesquely biased and idiotic statement. How surprising. The Flamethrower is neither the only nor the most powerful Commando weapon avaliable. Furthermore, you assume the Rifleman hits every time he fires, which means you are unparalleled in your ignorance of the Rifleman class.

Biased? Where in hell is that biased? What do i get from that statement? You always try to bring up our left-hand weapon, totally ignoring the fact that they are:

• bugged


• innacurate as hell


• slow


• VERY, VERY Expensive


• limited use only (30 charges at most)


• unsused by commandos

And no, i did not assume you hit every time. I played alongside Riflemen long enough to know how often they miss, and still it is not even close to my miss rate. And they shoot a lot more often than i do....

I miss 2 out of 10 times as long as i am not moving, the target is not moving and i stand close enough to my target to smell his bad breath. If either one of us moves, i will miss 7 out of 10 times!!!!!

Facts about Commando weaponry:

• the Flamer and the launcher pistol are the only viable commando weapons


• HAR is bugged to uselessness


• Area off effect is broken


• Grenades are so slow that you will die long before your target


• you cannot move while firing left-hand weapons


• the HAM cost of left hand weapons are incapacitating


• the target of left-hand weapons need to be in exactly the ideal range or we will miss, no matter the accuracy


• none of our primary weapons have armor piercing


• left-hand weapons are WAY too expensive to be considered in combat

there is a reason why commandos use only Flamethrowers: it IS our only real weapon

"Let's just mnot account for misses, as if we accpount for misses the Rifleman would exceed my damage output by at least factor 5!!!"

You really are jaw-droppingly stupid. Rifleman's accuracy is already horrible at its ideal range, and is absolutely abysmal in any deviation. But you are claiming that Rifleman exceeds Commando damage by a factor of five -- using a DLT20. Hilarious! Yes, a weapon with 200 max damage and AP0 exceeds the output of a weapon with 3800 max damage (HPBC, Rocket Launcher)and AP3 because the Rifle fires faster and misses more often. Fighting anAR1enemy? The HPBC does about 5500 damage and the DLT20 100 base damage/shot. Assume whatever Rifle style modifiers you want, the disparity remains. AR 2 adversary? HPBC does about 4500 and the DLT20 50 damage. Which means the DLT20, according to you, will do 5x the damage. Hahahahahahahahah.

If you move as a rifleman, it is you that is stupid. A friend of mine, Apache-Agent, master rifleman by profession, had a +32 modifier on 0m. I know from the statements of all my Riflemen friends that they miss no a single shot while prone. So don't try to deviate from your lies and half-tuths by pointing out a supposedly wrong statement.

To make it clear for you:

Master rifleman, using DLT20a and flurryshot 2, prone on a moving target, in a timeframe of 110 seconds:

110 hits at 750 damage a hit (only average DLT20a) = 82.500 damage

Master commando using a top-noth, damage sliced Flamethrower, kneeling, shooting on a moving target in a timeframe of 110 seconds using Flamesingle 2:

3 hits at 9.000 damage (max) =27.000 damage

Oh, my bad, i need to apologize, only 3.05 time my Damage output, with the rifleman using an average, unsliced DLT20a.

Now let's get to the best possible situations and let's assume noone misses:

same timeframe, same weaponry:

Rifleman: 110 hits, at 750 damage a hit = 82.500 damage

Commando: 10 hits, at 8.000 damage a hit (average)= 80.000 damage.

As you can clearly see, it is comparable. I never said you were superior, but only comparable. we could redo this all witha worst case scenariio for both, but in that case we would have about 90 misses for the rifleman and 10 misses for the commando wich would set the damage to 15.000 vs. 0 (or 9.000 if i hit at least once for max damage).

Note in addition to that, that i did NOT factor in damage increase due to bugs.

As posted i will list a complete, reslistic and correctly done field test, after i had the chance to.

"To do 10+K Damage, you need a top-nothch sliced Flamethrower (damage sliced) made with the best materials ever."

Yes, the Commando assuming the Flamethrower is the only Commando weapon. You have so very much credibility now.

And you have none. You just disqualified yourself by lack of knowledge about weaponry and game mechanics Can we move on now?

Because Rocket Launchers/HPBC's obviously don't exist. But of course!

They do, but they are absolutely worthless except in caes where i want to destroy heavy fortifications

"Mine is almost the best i've ever seen and i hit for a max of 9.000! Using a simple DLT20a i can deal 1.000 Damage every shot as a rifleman (don't start to argue about that, we tested it out)"

Really? As a Novice Commando with Flame Single I and a mediocre Flamethrower I could exceed 5000 damage. You're telling me that the best Flamethrower possible w/ Flame Single II caps at 9000? Nonsense.

As a novice commando you could not even use a Flamethrower to a reasonable extend, let alone Flamesingle1! You further disqualified yourself from a reasonable discussion. Flamesingle 1 is a tier 1 special ability. Secondly, damage on my Flamethrower and FS1 is 4.000. Give me that Flamethrower that deals 5.000+ damage with FS1 and i will hand you 300.000 credits.

Notwithstanding that most Commandoes (a la Ivoni) claim the most the Flamethrower can do is 3000 damage. Woot for consistency.

That is, because Ivoni's Flamer is Speed sliced (hence her special move timer of 8 seconds compared to mine at 11 seconds) But i agree that the damage of 3.000 is listed for Flamesingle 1 i guess.

", wich will lead to a damage utput of 11K compared to an damage output of 9K with barely perceptibale impact on the HAM pools. Same goes for the E11."

Ugh, I won't even fathom a guess of how many brain cells I lost reading this tripe.

You can lose any more braincells?

"As<a matter of fact, you are the imbecile that makes faöse claims. You are complaining, that we do tons more damage than you in a single shot, whilst you completely fail to account for the different firing speeds."

Wow, what a stunning riposte! "You are the imbecile who makes faöse claims"! Notwithstanding that I have absolutely no idea what a "faöse" is -- which I'm sure is just another display of my patent imbecility -- please explain how a DLT20, as per your claims, doing a maximum of 1000 per shot, four times, outdamages a weapon doing 7000 per shot, one time (DLT20/HPBC against unarmored opponent) by a factor of five. Because 4000 = 28000, but of course, nimwit!

What a riposte again! You are a formidable fencer, fine sir! Countering logic with the use of typing errors! Now THAT is a sign of true greatness!

And that's in the best possible case for the Rifle. Examine an AR1 adversary: the HPBC does a max of 5500 x 1 = 5500 damage and the DLT20 500 x 4 = 2000 damage. And 2000 = 22000, but of course, nimwit!

You forgot to mention, that every shot from a HPBC costs me 1000 credits and that i can use it only 30 times. See, this is what i mean about half-truths! You take into account a type of weaponry that is:

1. not used by commandos due to several reasons


2. cost intensive


3. unable to use specials


4. immobilizing


5. extremely draining


6. totally inaccurate


7. only usable against non-moving targets (at least if you want to hit something)

"You do this either to deceive other readers or you are simply too stupid to realize that."

Woebemy stupidity, that I would not recognize 1 = 2.

How witty! Drawing attention away from the POI by using silly comments...

"I was close to calling this thread "Zrl0k, Krupskaya, zip your howling screamers" but i decided against it, as i have read relatively few posts of you before,"

Another attempt to reclaim the high ground, I see! Bravo, imbecile!

against the low regions you tend to crawl in, every ground is the high ground! I simply asked another person than you to stop his campaing of hatred (it is nothing else than that) and you come by and troll and flame away. Very witty, very witty indeed! It is not me trying to claim high ground, it is you leveling me up there.

"but it is always clear, that you simply want to sabotage another class."

No, I don't care if a Commando does 1000000000000 DPS, just give us back our T21. What intellectual nuance and sophistication you have! Another wonderful equality: help our class = kill everyone! Just brilliant!

Take it back, your pre-nerf T21. I NEVER said anything against it! Hell, i am the last person denying you that weapon! All i asked for, was the unjustified nerf-commando whining to stop! Let us fix bugs, let us improve classes that have weaknesses (like the brawling professions) let us get rid of that stupid melle damage modifier against riflemen. I want to improve the gaming experience for everyone. But you simply decided to ignore that!

"Maybe you're a fan of Zarl0k, or a friend, or a lover...."

Ooh, implying that I am a homosexual! What another wonderful attempt to raise the discourse we have here! 200=22000, help me = kill you, support=sodomy, you must be the wonder of your special ed class!

Sodomy? Learn the meaning of the words you use, or is Zarl0k your dog? BTW: i know niether Zarl0ks gender, nor yours, so you claimed the offense of homosexuality where i never said anything even close. First think, then post!

"whatever it is, sztop your half-truths, peronal insults, rude offenses and dirgusting display of deception and manipulation."

Hahahah, the man who just called me a sodomite is now bemoaning "rude offenses".

Please lay out, where i called you a sodomite. learn to read, or it is you that looks like an imbecile.

"I can read between lines, so i also react to hidden offenses, mister krupskaya!"

It's good to know you can read! Which is more than you can expect from me, the humble rectal explorer!

well, now YOU claimed to be homosexual. You accuse meto offend you in calling you a homosexual (which i didn't even do) and then you tell us you are homosexual (well actually you don't tell us, you simply imply it).

I don't even know why i take the time replying to your post, but it could be because i think everyone writing in this thread deserves an answer and i try to my best to stay reasonable, logical and friendly. Thank heaven, you are not the typical board member on the riflemen board. Not all here agree with me (gargagargantua to give an excemple), but it is their right to disagree. They tell me their position in a well mannered tone and therefore they get reasonable answers.

You simply failed completely to get the intetion of my posts and i feel sorry for you inability to actually comprehend complex posts and multilayered arguments.

My plea to you, krupskaya, learn about other classes before you start bitching!

Dogg

The only way I think that the folks designing this game are ever going to fix the classes are eliminate them all and make everyone a Bounty Hunter, Pistoleer, Beast Handler combination with healing skills.

lol

It sure would cut down on the message board flaming.

Of courseit would quite be boring.

I am starting to think they cannot balance the classes do inate problems in the basic game engine or developer skills. Funny becauseI used to be quite optimistic.

All they seem to be doing is fixing one class and the result is nerfing of another and then they move to the next class and repeat the process. Maybe by the time they are done we all will be nerfed so bad we all will fear the newbie mobs outside the cities. lol

(Not that I am programmer but they don't seem to be making any progress lately)

InquisitorPayne, I gotta give ya alot of respect brother ; /salute

it seems we are heavilyopinionated, I would just like to say this last thing, In a PvP battle, what are we (riflemen) looking for.....a) 11-30 shots to kill a guy with minimal ham costs to us (dlta20a / e11 / tusken)..... b) 1-15 shots eating our ham but incapping alot more than one guy (laser / T21).....If not excelling and doing well, I usually die in about 10 seconds if jumped by a few guys.....So I choose b), always.BT=L-HC, BattleTime equals lifeminus ham costs....ha

I would like to see those screens if ya ever get around to it, but what I mentioned above would subside the point of them if not only for PvE, shooting a gimped creature with a few guys or a lair, etc.

Alfgand :
"make everyone a Bounty Hunter, Pistoleer, Beast Handler combination with healing skills."

LMAO, then we truely will all be clones!!!!!

InquisitorPayne, I wish you the best of luck in your future and may the force be with you, always.

For those of you who don't have time to read this thread in it's entirety, let me summarize:

InquisitorPayne:blah blah blah...

:beginloop

Krupskaya: you're stupid
InquisitorPayne: No, you're stupid

:goto beginloop

Acutally, guys, in some sick, twisted way, I'm enjoying this thread!

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WayneInAustin wrote:

For those of you who don't have time to read this thread in it's entirety, let me summarize:

InquisitorPayne:blah blah blah...

:beginloop

Krupskaya: you're stupid
InquisitorPayne: No, you're stupid

:goto beginloop

Acutally, guys, in some sick, twisted way, I'm enjoying this thread!

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Gargangargantua:

/salute Yes, we are opinionated and ib am glad you read what i wanted to post. I am fine with you preferring the T21 and if you chose to actively take the higher impact on HAM for the higher Power, whom am i to argue otherwise. Good luck, man, and may the force be with you.

Of course i am still trying to get my Buddies together so that we can start the Field Testing, s that xcan finally give you the hrd numbers, whether i am right or not.

Krupskaya:

Unbelievable! I told you before: you don't read what i write. You seem to come from a parallel universe or something. You simply ignore what i write and post a reply to something completely different. Nevertheless, i will once momre try to make it clear to you:

1. I never called you a sodomite (Sodomy = Sexual intercourse with animals)


2. I never called you homosexual (i staed that Zarl0k might be your lovr, but given the fact, that i know neither the gender of you nor the gender of Zarl0k, it is hart to state homosexuality with that sentence. Btw, you don't know Zarl0ks gender either, if he/she didn't tell you beforehand)


3. I never called for the Rifleman to go back to using the DLT20a, although you truly want to read this out of my posts. I stated an ALTERNATIVE to the T21 to overcome the high impact on MIND the T21 delivers to give you a longer Lifespan against Bounty Hunters


4. If you had read the sentence above the 3 Hits in 110 seconds, you would have noticed that i was accouning for misses. I was accounting for a 70% miss chance, a reasonaböle miss chance against a moving target as a Master commando.


5. Calling me an idiot will not scratch my numbers and i will not make you look supwerior. But to not further waste Wayne's forum time i will not continue in calling you what i should call you, based on logical evaluation


6. You truly belief a Profession deserves a nerf because YOU don't like the people? Wow, talk about immature behaviour!

Now my personal plea to you, Krupskaya:

Never ever again, bother to reply to one of my Posts, without reading them. Do this but once again and you will force me to report you and ALL your threads dure to flaming. A Moderator reading your posts only in this one Thread would ban you for life for trolling and flaming, but taken into account all of your posts against Commandos..... WOW!

Don't waste the time of every reader in this Thread, go home, take a nap, come back and behave like a mature person.

Dogg

P.S.: Don't use technical terms if you don't understand their meaning.

InquisitorPayne,

I keep seeing you post saying too use the Marksman line weapons, do commando's ever have too revert too Marksman weapons? or maybe your brawler skills? No they dont so why should a Rifleman be forced too use the 20a, E11, and Laser Rifle? The T21 needs too be fixed and a lot of rifleman problems will be fixed magically.

Yes, heavy Weapons doing Melee DMG is super gay. We all know this.

Yes FlameThrowers can clear 3k on a non-Rifleman in PvP, yes they can clear 10k dmg in PvE. Yes FlameThrowers need too be adjusted, the secondary DoT attacks are what needs adjusting as well. I have no problem with frontloaded dmg, but the secondary 1-2k Fire DoT needs too be toned down. I understand its on fire and needs too take dmg but not that **edit** much.

I actually feel sorry for imperials now who spent all those faction points on AT-ST's just too have them killed by a flavor of the month NoTalentAssClown. Commando's are suppose too kill AT-ST's but not without Risk, and sure as hell not solo.

Only issues Rifleman have with Commando's is, the Melee DMG they do with shoulder mounted weapons, and the fact that our class defining weapon was nerfed because it could do 3k dmg but you guys are running around doing 10k dmg. And acting like total asses about it too. A Commando with a TEF on someone is insta-death for that person, and again the commando community rubs it in other peoples faces.

Please return too the NoTalentAssClown Boards please......and leave ours, we actually have too use skills and tactics too kill stuff in PvE and PvPm, something you woundt understand.

1. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board?board.id=pistoleer

2. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board?board.id=commando

3. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board?board.id=bounty_hunter

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InquisitorPayne wrote:

P.S.: if you were hit for 1.500n damage in PvP, that equals 6.000 Damage outside PvP, which is WAY below yor acclaimed 10+K. Secondly, it is your fault if you:

• get within 16m of a commando


• wear no armor


• wear no shield generator

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• complaints of kiting abound. I'm personally tied of running like a girly man


• can't wear armour or we incap after the first shot. That is NOT an exaggeration


• at 250% damage no shield gen works.
  

I am a rifleman and have incurred all these problems. I have over come a few but with time. I have read this entire post and the problem i have and had was that you have to be MASTER to deal this damage. It is stated over and over again throughout all the replies. The long trees up to that point have been fruitless, with the carrot dangeling over our heads that all will be good when we reach a master rifleman.

However I did find it amusing that when the rifleman could deal a 3K shot it took hours for that to be taken away(i can't remember the exact value as we only recived T-21's on our server a week ago), but when the commando weapons came and the same damage was dealt the uproar from the rifleman community was all but ignored.

The dev's said "thats the way I invisioned the commando's to be. I see nothing wrong with it and it's not going to change."This was a major slap in the face. I choose to be a rifleman to be a different character than everyone else. Everyonedoesn't want to be a BH or Commando like a great majority of the people, I enjoy being unique.

Oh and one last thing, I am a wookiee and therefore own a bowcaster. The devs madethis weapon a rifle, not me. So wouldn't the most logical tree to climb to get bonus' to a rifle weapon be Rifleman?So InquisitorPayne when you say i should have known betterfor playing a wookiee because you knew they couldn't wear armor I take offence to this.