Rifleman Archive
Thread: If this is true you rifleman have no room to complain
Is it against the rule to give him a straight answer? I don't want to step on Mr. Look at the big word's toes here...
All speed works the same. It is a percent reduction. Pistol speed works this way as well. If you have low pistol speed it will seem like a simple -.x speed, but it IS a percentage. A pistol is fast and on a low speed you will not notice the difference very easily. Not long ago Jaegen had a Pistol Speed thread, I didn't read it as I knew how Pistol Speed works, but if you do a search (on your profession board) you should be able to find it.
So, as you see, with a Pistol you can easily shoot at 1 second a shot, use mind dmg (BH Special) and have bleeds out your ying yang. Is that enough?
So, yes, again, it is true. But Rifleman still have a reason to complain.
Honestly, this was not meant as a post to get people upset. I simply forgot to add the smily with the tongue sticking out at the end. I was trying to get a rise out of the board but over what the guy on the thread said not what I said. I was being sarcastic when I said you guys have no room to complain, almost every class has tons of room to complain right now. SOE is nerfing even before they fix broken classes.
Thank you though, I did finally get the answer I was looking for, something I need to test out for myself.
Go check the Pistoleer boards, and look at the FAQ. You'll see the formula for the effect of speed is identical to what we said - the bonus to speed is a straight reduction to the delay of the weapon, with the net delay (after style multipliers, etc) being capped at 1.0s. I specifically dumped a number of other skills so I could master marksman for that extra +5 speed, since I realized how much of an effect it would have assuming the formula was correct. Without master marksman, master Riflemen do not have a 1s delay with most specials.
FYI, master riflemen can already take down groups of low resist 10k HAM mobs in a few seconds (I do this quite frequently, with my laser) assuming they don't get killed by their return fire, and mind pool doesn't run out (it takes me over 100 HAM per shot with my laser, and T21s cost more). And no, this does not make me the best PvE class. Riflemen are very limited in damage types. In order to switch damage types, we give up a great deal of raw output. I've run into Nightsisters with 100% resist to Energy, and needless to say I did not win that fight. I am also consistently one-hit by any relatively high level melee mob that gets within range (quite common with the new warping code).
Every master weapon spec can pretty much fire any style at 1s, and everyone has a high damage AE special by the time they hit master (although the pistol AE doesn't seem to be working properly). There's nothing particularly special about rifle in this regard.
AldeonAvardulin wrote:
You need +100 to do styles 1.0 second shots. ^
This is not true. I have no speed enhancement. I suppose it's possible my styles are actually something like 1.05 delay, but as the SS should show, the maximum delay it could possibly be is around 1.15s delay. With both of my master bonuses, I have +95 rifle speed, and I can fire HS3 or pretty much any other style at 1.0s or so close that it makes virtually no practical difference.
All that pointless writing in a witless attempt to yet again skew what I said into something you wanted it to mean. Yet still no answer for me. You got your dictionary out to use some nice big words when you could have just used the time you spent looking up words by answering instead of trying to make me look bad. Your, or you are if you prefer, the only one that made a big deal out of nothing with the your rant. I'm sorry but unless I'm writing something important, and posting on a message board does not define important for me, I don't spell or grammar check.
No one yet has given me any kind of evidence or formula for calculating speed mods compared to rifle speed. Instead you choose to flame me and accuse me of being wrong when all I was looking for to begin with was someone to agree with or disprove the theoryin the link I provided.
Last I'll post on this until someone decides to actually intelligently respond to the original post and not make shallow remarks with no explanations.
Rhylis wrote:
I had a small argument with a rifleman on the VN boards, http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=55303271&replies=19 , If you go to the bottom and look through the screen shots there is a 5.9 spd rifle being fired once per second. Also if what he says is true not matter what the speed of the rifle a master rifleman will be firing it once per second.
With a t-21 rifle I would be willing to bet you can get 4k hits pretty easy. So in theory you could take down a 12k health mob in 3-4 shots ammounting to 3-4 seconds.
If that is true master rifleman will be by far the best PvE class. I'm sorry but with that your far superior to pistoleers PvE so stop complaining.
Read your own post Sherlock. And stop with the "if it is true" BS. It is so obvious that you already made your decision that is it true. And therefore look like a fool while posting without having all the facts.
"I'm sorry but with that your far superior to pistoleers in PvE so stop complaining."
So obvious that you jumped to a conclusion before having all the facts yourself. If it was truly a post asking a question you wouldn't put BS like that in. Stop complaining? We have the right to (on certain subjects).
TheChawMan wrote:
I hate riflemen you all suck. Respect.
Isn't there some school work you should be doing?