Rifleman Archive

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Krupskaya wrote:

"If he is wrong then explain to me how the speed mods work. He explained it as being a %, so even at +90 it would be 90% so a rifle of 10.0 speed would still fire at 1.0. If its not then how does it work?"

See, here is the fundamental foolishness of your argument. The % speed reduction from the skill lines are not the sole factor affecting weapon speed. When attack styles are used, a delay modifier is employed. Meaning that a T21 with Strafe Shot 2 or Mind Shot 3 is firing at around a 3 second delay. At the fastest. I AM a Master Rifleman and this is how it works for me -- do you think YOU know better based solely on your own uneducated banter?

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HMMOG LOL! How many people are going to come here and respond before reading my posts?? This is NOT my idea, it came from the moron on the post. If you look at the screen shots you can see he in fact is firing head shot 3 at 1 second intervals, whether or not he is really using the laser rifle is another question.

Once again, very slowly for those that have trouble understanding, IF.....THIS....IS....TRUE, one more time, IF.....THIS.....IS.....TRUE.

Now, if someone with the IQ higher then a 5 year old could PLEASE read the GD post in the link, look at the screen shots and then respond in a somewhat intelligent form so I can get the answer I'm looking for. I realize there are more factors other then the gun speed but that is not what I'm discussing, I am talking about skill mods and gun speed.

"HMMOG LOL! How many people are going to come here and respond before reading my posts?? This is NOT my idea, it came from the moron on the post. If you look at the screen shots you can see he in fact is firing head shot 3 at 1 second intervals, whether or not he is really using the laser rifle is another question.

Once again, very slowly for those that have trouble understanding, IF.....THIS....IS....TRUE, one more time, IF.....THIS.....IS.....TRUE.

Now, if someone with the IQ higher then a 5 year old could PLEASE read the GD post in the link, look at the screen shots and then respond in a somewhat intelligent form so I can get the answer I'm looking for. I realize there are more factors other then the gun speed but that is not what I'm discussing, I am talking about skill mods and gun speed."

Listen. Our community has wasted enough of its time on idiots such as yourself. A four word disclaimer does not undo your original assertions. After providing the link to supposed data, you claimed that you had no doubt a Rifleman could take down a 12K HAM mob in just a few hits. Not a presented opinion. But your own assertion, based on the fabricated tests of another. Your assertion. Based on evidence. I am criticizing not only evidence. But the assertion you make predicated on that evidence. Am I being clear enough to penetrate the haze of your marvelous intellect? Should I put it in larger font, with bright red letters, with more periods interjected between clauses, all spelled phonetically, just so a very simple point can finally get through your incredibly thick skull? An assertion. Based on presented evidence. Is still an assertion. And the disclosure. Of possible fallacy. Does not change. The fact that you made the assertion in the first place. Even if it was done on evidence compiled by someone else. Your assertion. On their evidence. Am I getting through here?

As far as IQ's higher than that of a five year old . . . by all means, go on, continue to embarass yourself. Revise and misrepresent the clumsiness of your original post, skewing the intention behind the words to fit whatever criticism comes along. And fling around insults which everyone and anyone on these forums can tell best apply to your own paltry agglomeration of sicky brain cells. There is a reason why all of the following posts have hit upon the same note; your attempt to appear objective and balanced to avoid heated criticism failed miserably, your bias comes through in your interpretation and assertion. Its really. Very. Simple. Just think a little bit, at least to come to the marvelous measure to which you have completely humiliated yourself. Yours is an autobiography narrated by an idiot, with much sound and fury, signifying only the nonsense you spin to explicate your misstep. Go away.

And to make these responses completely idiot-proof (and more salutary, just coincidentally I'm sure, to your comprehension) let's have another dissection:

"If that is true master rifleman will be by far the best PvE class. I'm sorry but with that your far superior to pistoleers PvE so stop complaining."

I'm assuming by "your" you meant "you are". Which does not comprise any element of uncertainty; it is present indicative, certain, unequivocal. Not part of an "if . . . then" clause, but a truism. Axiomatic. Unabashedly so. This is something most internalize as young children when learning that different tenses mean different things; but I'll summarize what a seven year old intuits for your benefit.

If you believed the prospect was uncertain, you would say "you WOULD BE". "You're", on the other hand, assumes the veracity of the preceding clause -- in this case, the evidence -- it does not leave room for interpretation. There is no uncertainty in the presumption that the evidence is correct. That is taken for granted by the very use of this present indicative. Otherwise you would use the conditional. See? That's how words betray intent. And how your words have betrayed your belief. If you desire to lie and obfuscate under the guise of neutrality, please be more careful in your rhetoric so you can better pull the wool over our eyes. As it is, you're humiliating yourself, with my willing assistance.

P.S. - Hooked on Phonics can work for you!

Theres 2 differences betwee, our 1 shot per second and anyone elses.

1.) We need extra bonuses from either tapes, or armor add ons.

2.) We have do drain, you will run out very fast shooting once per second.

Becuase even with a spray stick at master rifleman I dont even shoot once per 2nd. (spray stick is 1.8 spd) I have +90 speed, and I need to get another +10 to be shooting once per 2nd.

also you are assuming that these mobs will cooperate and let us shoot them and not teleport right in front of us.

Why do people post without having all the facts?

Wow, my brain is soemwhere else...I was typing 2nd for what should be second lol.

Add to that the 2.5x melee damage, the fact we get no ranged advantage over the other ranged classes, we use an insane amount of mind per special, we can't heal the pool our specials use, before master you're gimped compared to other classes.....

I saw a pistoleer hitting me for 200 damage a shot in PvP yesterday, 1 second per shot even though it was a special. So in fact a pistoleer can do 1000 damage a second in PvE, and then heal their action pool and do it all over again.

My when using specials I have not gotten down to 1 second, even with a DLT20a. If I empty my mind using specials it takes me about 160 seconds to get back to full again.

"Also, Krups, if you would actually read the thread in the link Idissagreed with the guy, I post as Imhotep_amun-ra there. Thus the whole reason for posting here, I was hoping to get evidence to the contrary by making a post here. Whether you believe me or not I could care less. "

Then your post at the start of this thread is worded incorrectly. Sorry, but the implication of your words apparently did not match what you actually think; in which case, everyone misstates themselves sometimes, so its really of no matter. I probably rushed to judgment based on a few choice mistakes I had noticed in wording, so I'm sorry if I offended you or came off as too aggressive; that was not my intention, and it seems this really is all a misunderstanding. Again, if I offended you through my rebuttals, I apologize, I just sometimes get carried away in arguing over a minor and inconsequential imperfection. Which might work against an enemy, but is probably a poor tactic when we agree

So I'll get past the wording and take a look at the thread you linked -- hopefully I can offer some more arguments to counter the opponent's statistics.

"Last I'll post on this until someone decides to actually intelligently respond to the original post and not make shallow remarks with no explanations."

But they were not shallow remarks without explanation -- you simply misspoke. Your syntax conveyed the wrong message. Its just indicative versus conditional -- and no, I'm not being a grammar Nazi, you simply used the wrong tense and conveyed an assumption you did not make. To which you really have no rebuttal. If I have misinterpreted your message, it was based on a mistake in your wording. Which is after all really a minor thing . . . but its cause and effect, and I didn't offer a rebuttal for nothing. If you'd chosen your words better, I think your exchange with the community would have taken a different tone. As it is, your introduction was itself an invitation to controversy. Most people won't be inclined to actually examine your linked thread if you preface it with an erroneous accession to accordance with a baldly ludicrous claim. Apparently we agree that those numbers were not representative . . . so its probably better not to forge further rifts in this misunderstanding. So I'll try to keep further commentary germane to the thread linked, rather than the error in the words explaining it.

Hah, turns out there is, in fact, a very simple reason for the Rifleman in question offering screen shots of him firing a Head Shot III every second.

He is not, in fact, using Head Shot III! His logs show only normal attacks. Which is further evidenced by the damage figures, which would be improbable at best with such a Rifle using anything but unstyled attacks. He has reached cap speed BUT ONLY with normal shots. Head Shot III would take three times as long. And the unstyled delay is not far below the 1.0 second cap, simply because one of the screenshots on the thread shows two seconds between the weapon's shots. Which means an unstyled delay necessarily above one second . . . and a delay, using Head Shot III, of 2-3 seconds.

And this is with a fairly fast Laser Rifle. A T21 will be far slower.

Ignore the last post . . . it's 3:30 in the morning here and my medications are starting to take effect. I'll save everyone the trouble of flaming -- I had no idea whatthe heck Iwas talking about Just absolute nonsense. **edit** sedatives . . . I'll get back to this tomorrow. Too tired to think . . . though smart enough to recognize my assininity on the last post My best guess is a speed powerup or a different gun, quite honestly, because I don't fire anywhere near that fast . . . but enough. I'm exhausted. Sorry about the idiotic last post, barely worth flaming . . . **edit** sedatives. Awful post. Barely conscious; going to sleep now. Good night Sorry about the last post again, I blinked and askedmyself what the heck I was doing a second after submitting . . .

o...m....g.... i read that whole post, and i really don't know why. you make my head hurt, time for sleepy.