Rifleman Archive
Thread: Beating Feign Death
Message Edited by BigSlimUK on 09-16-2004 02:41 PM
Well, this is a first - a post by Sotaudi that I don't agree with (and that's putting it mildly). I can only assume you have a Jedi, and probably a new one, because I can't understand why else you would make these comments
Mycomments are in yellow - I hope you don't view this as a flame, and I've tried to keep things relatively unemotional
Sotaudi wrote:
The bottom line is he outfoxed you.
"Outfoxing" someone would imply a situational battle of wits. Feign Death is a "No XP loss" button that can be hit at any time, and completely invaildates the entire 'checks and balances' system of "You do Jedi stuff, you go on the terms and risk XP loss".
He reconginzed that he would be weak while trying to grind Jedi, thathe loses XP whenhe dies asa Jedi, and that Jedi XP is hard to come by. He also recognized that there are people who prey on the weak and whose profession's only purpose is to profit at another player's expense.
The purpose of BH(as stated in numerous postsfrom our lords and masters) islimiting the Jedi population, which is the only way to make the end-game of PvP fun for people like myself who have no interest in playing a Jedi. Already, large-scale PvP encounters are, more often than not,won by the side with the most Jedi. If they are able to level without fear of XP loss, then pretty soon other professions will be totally redundant.
Since the Jedi getsno bonus from killing BHs that attack them and can be forced into PvP involuntarily, he wisely chose to retain skills that would keep you from costing him XP. I am sorry, but I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever.
No Jedi can be forced into PvP involuntarily. If you choose to behave in a manner which will get you on the BH terminals, then you are SUPPOSED to be hunted down, and if the BH is able to take you down, you are SUPPOSED to lose XP. That's the whole damn point of the entire system.
And please! "Take his DB like a man"????? This is about as valid an argument as a melee character complaining that a ranged character is kiting him and won't "stand and fight like a man." What you need to do is accept that you got outfoxed and that you need to come up with a way to beat him or the patience to wait him out. That is what a man would do, not whine that he could not collect a reward he had not yet earned.
With respect to the text in red, unless the BH is a Dev, there is NO WAY to beat Feign Death, so that statement is just absurd. Might as well say that if you don't like having no resists to lightsabers, you should just 'be a man' and magically force them to appear on your armour. As far as I can see, the BH in this situation did exactly what you suggested, as far as is possible within the game mechanics. He came up with some leverage (threatening the AV21) that might get the Jedi to come out of FD. The Jedi accepted that his XP was more valuable to him than the vehicle, so the BH was left with no real option other than to make good on his threat, and blow it away.
I think feign death is a skill that needs to be changed. They should appear to be dead and unattackable, but there should be a way to break it. But as long as it is a skillin the game, it is a valid tactic and the fact that he recongized the value of this skill to a low-level Jedi is an indication that he chose his skills wisely.
As long as they are attackable, and as long as they are willing to use that skill to keep from being DBed, it is only fair that the penalty for using it would be damaged armor and blackbars. So I do not consider that griefing. But I do consider destroying a vehicle as a childish act, especially one that is as expensive as the AV-21. The only justification for destroyinga vehicle is if you do so to keep someone from getting away.
Nothing more to add, other than that blackbars are no punishment at all, and I thought Jedi weren't wearing armour these days anyway? Could be wrong about that last, though. Oh, and ANY vehicle that's attackable should be destroyed - if you weren't supposed to blow 'em, they wouldn't be red. In a GCW context, costing the opposing faction credits is not only a viable tactic, it's a duty.
It was replaced by a to-hit modifier. We do not know that itis 2.5x though.
BigSlimUK wrote:
Oh yeah and your right about the 2.5X damage modifier being gone but it was replaced by a 2.5X To hit modifier.
you can't kill us smugglers and i cant kill smugglers...kinda ironic i cant kill myself...
You don't even need to use it. The last time I came up against someone using FD in a fight I simply hit peace, equiped the lance, then explained that if he didn't stand up I'd use it.
He stood up.
DomMantell wrote:
I like to carry a mind fire lance with me for these situations
You don't even need to use it. The last time I came up against someone using FD in a fight I simply hit peace, equiped the lance, then explained that if he didn't stand up I'd use it.
He stood up.
If you did use it on him/her all it would do is black bar their mind pool, also waste uses, which would be the easiest to repair with one stop off at the cnet cantina or w/e one is most populated on your server.
osefaca wrote:
DomMantell wrote:
I like to carry a mind fire lance with me for these situations
You don't even need to use it. The last time I came up against someone using FD in a fight I simply hit peace, equiped the lance, then explained that if he didn't stand up I'd use it.
He stood up.
If you did use it on him/her all it would do is black bar their mind pool, also waste uses, which would be the easiest to repair with one stop off at the cnet cantina or w/e one is most populated on your server.
Dont forgot about peeps that dabble in meditate 4 to
SpunkyKuma wrote:
I have talked to a few CSRs, and they say it is not griefing. Depends on the CSR you talk to....
Personally I think feign death has gotten out of hand and needs to be moved higher up in smuggler so it would discourage dabblers to waste more skillpoints. I'm all for it.
"I am A BH, I hunt jedi. My last mark still had FD from his smuggler tree."
Ok you are citing an exception to the rule, and NOT THE RULE. The abuse of jedi of the smuggler fd line shouldnt be used as some excuse for griefing someone.
Really think about it; the smuggler uses his "get out of death free ability"; you blackrot him. Great, so eventually there will be no smugglers and less people will want to participate in the gcw. I know with all the brainless, heartless, di#$less people out there I dont reallycare to participate in the gcw. The cost of playing in the gcw is too high, the benefits are too low; we are to pay in credits for our wish to gain from pvp.
Same for bounty hunting jedi; you end up paying to hunt. Why were you hunting again? Certainly not for the bounty or reward. So I guess, many people are hunting jedi because it makes their epeen seem bigger.