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EdahFreecloud wrote:

I suppose im not understanding the idea of it being a grief. If theres no way to get him out of it, what are we supposed to do? Ill explain the reason for the question in the first place:

I am A BH, I hunt jedi. My last mark still had FD from his smuggler tree. Hes a new jedi, but if you get on the terms you are fair game(topic for the BH forum if you wanna flame me for hunting n00b jedi) I track this guy for an hour or so, finally make my move and he FD's on me after i am about to DB and finish my mission. Now by him doing this I can't complete my mission even tho I have clearly won the battle, now im the griefer for waiting him out and continuing to attack him?? It seems to me that hes the one griefing me...I told the guy I didnt want to make this a big thing and I would let his doc rez him if he would just take the DB like a man...but of course he didnt, he proceeded to call me names and tell me Im a noob b/c I cant kill him.He did make one mistake tho..he left his AV-21 out before he FD'd and couldnt store it. I told him I would not destroy it if he came out of FD and let me finish my mission..well he didnt and the AV-21 had to die.

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http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=122410

hmmm.. sorry to drag this to the rifleman forums, just wanted to clear this startleshot thing up.

Message Edited by EdahFreecloud on 09-13-2004 08:24 PM

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Your contention that you won is false. You did not win. If you had won, you would have completed your mission. In chess, they call what happened a "stalemate." He forced you into a position where you could not claim victory. He did not win, but neither did he lose. Therefore, neither did you win.

The bottom line is he outfoxed you. He reconginzed that he would be weak while trying to grind Jedi, thathe loses XP whenhe dies asa Jedi, and that Jedi XP is hard to come by. He also recognized that there are people who prey on the weak and whose profession's only purpose is to profit at another player's expense. Since the Jedi getsno bonus from killing BHs that attack them and can be forced into PvP involuntarily, he wisely chose to retain skills that would keep you from costing him XP. I am sorry, but I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever.

And please! "Take his DB like a man"????? This is about as valid an argument as a melee character complaining that a ranged character is kiting him and won't "stand and fight like a man." What you need to do is accept that you got outfoxed and that you need to come up with a way to beat him or the patience to wait him out. That is what a man would do, not whine that he could not collect a reward he had not yet earned.

I think feign death is a skill that needs to be changed. They should appear to be dead and unattackable, but there should be a way to break it. But as long as it is a skillin the game, it is a valid tactic and the fact that he recongized the value of this skill to a low-level Jedi is an indication that he chose his skills wisely.

As long as they are attackable, and as long as they are willing to use that skill to keep from being DBed, it is only fair that the penalty for using it would be damaged armor and blackbars. So I do not consider that griefing. But I do consider destroying a vehicle as a childish act, especially one that is as expensive as the AV-21. The only justification for destroyinga vehicle is if you do so to keep someone from getting away.

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Sotaudi wrote:

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EdahFreecloud wrote:

I suppose im not understanding the idea of it being a grief. If theres no way to get him out of it, what are we supposed to do? Ill explain the reason for the question in the first place:

I am A BH, I hunt jedi. My last mark still had FD from his smuggler tree. Hes a new jedi, but if you get on the terms you are fair game(topic for the BH forum if you wanna flame me for hunting n00b jedi) I track this guy for an hour or so, finally make my move and he FD's on me after i am about to DB and finish my mission. Now by him doing this I can't complete my mission even tho I have clearly won the battle, now im the griefer for waiting him out and continuing to attack him?? It seems to me that hes the one griefing me...I told the guy I didnt want to make this a big thing and I would let his doc rez him if he would just take the DB like a man...but of course he didnt, he proceeded to call me names and tell me Im a noob b/c I cant kill him.He did make one mistake tho..he left his AV-21 out before he FD'd and couldnt store it. I told him I would not destroy it if he came out of FD and let me finish my mission..well he didnt and the AV-21 had to die.

Picture>>>

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=122410

hmmm.. sorry to drag this to the rifleman forums, just wanted to clear this startleshot thing up.

Message Edited by EdahFreecloud on 09-13-2004 08:24 PM

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Your contention that you won is false. You did not win. If you had won, you would have completed your mission. In chess, they call what happened a "stalemate." He forced you into a position where you could not claim victory. He did not win, but neither did he lose. Therefore, neither did you win.

The bottom line is he outfoxed you. He reconginzed that he would be weak while trying to grind Jedi, thathe loses XP whenhe dies asa Jedi, and that Jedi XP is hard to come by. He also recognized that there are people who prey on the weak and whose profession's only purpose is to profit at another player's expense. Since the Jedi getsno bonus from killing BHs that attack them and can be forced into PvP involuntarily, he wisely chose to retain skills that would keep you from costing him XP. I am sorry, but I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever.

And please! "Take his DB like a man"????? This is about as valid an argument as a melee character complaining that a ranged character is kiting him and won't "stand and fight like a man." What you need to do is accept that you got outfoxed and that you need to come up with a way to beat him or the patience to wait him out. That is what a man would do, not whine that he could not collect a reward he had not yet earned.

I think feign death is a skill that needs to be changed. They should appear to be dead and unattackable, but there should be a way to break it. But as long as it is a skillin the game, it is a valid tactic and the fact that he recongized the value of this skill to a low-level Jedi is an indication that he chose his skills wisely.

As long as they are attackable, and as long as they are willing to use that skill to keep from being DBed, it is only fair that the penalty for using it would be damaged armor and blackbars. So I do not consider that griefing. But I do consider destroying a vehicle as a childish act, especially one that is as expensive as the AV-21. The only justification for destroyinga vehicle is if you do so to keep someone from getting away.

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I could not agree more.

Edit: the bold/green part made me laugh because it happens to me when I use rifles. I guess the melee ppl dont realize they get a 2.5 damage modifier against us riflepeople.

Message Edited by osefaca on 09-16-2004 08:25 AM