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Thread: If we do get a 3 second cap....

Pire
Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:31 pm
#27

i agree, rifleman should be concealed and fire 1 shot 1 kill shots from concealment, buffs or no buffs, rather then an area effect high damage strafe thing.



also concealment should work, when concealed you should really be concealed, including the map.



but since that would actually make sence and i know what happen, my SWG future rides entirely on the next patch. real simple, if my main profession gets so changed so screwed up that its not enjoyable, i quit.



Ipseck
Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:49 am
#28

Is there a post anywhere with any mention to this 3 second cap?




HARP00N wrote:
oh and 3 second cap would be horrible. We already have to buffed out of the ass to compete in pvp and even then BHs, TKAs and Commandos take you down half the time. 3 second cap would be insane. Imagine that, you fire, count ONE....TWO....THREE... then you get to fire again. By that time the BH or pistoleer has already fired three times with pistol weapon that approaches your weapons max damage (if your rifle is very good) and has more minimum damage.





BH and Commando's spend a helluvalot more skill points than a rifleman does. They SHOULD take you down more than half the time.

And your reference to pistoleers must be a joke.. For starters Pistoleers don't even hit the speed cap so 3 shots to your one isn't accurate. Also DX2s and Republic's don't come anywhere near a t21 and have a third of the AP. Heck, they are about the same as a Jawa, but the jawa hits stun AND ap1. So you're going to complain about shooting slower than a pistoleer who does less damage, less AP and has less accuracy than a rifleman?





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SmoothOperator
Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:42 am
#29



FurryFury wrote:
You guys need a 3 second cap. When any normal person thinks of a rifleman, a true sniper.... they do not think of them firing fast shots - thats ridiculous. A sniper will fire very few, slow and powerful shots. I'm tired of my mind being gone so fast in pvp because everyone is riflemen these days. You all deserve to get nerfed for complaining about a 3 sec cap on speed.





A smuggler uses a pistol, should he not be able to make spices then? Sniper is only one tree in rifleman. Ever heard of someone lying prone at 1000m doing slow one-shot high-damage with an AK47? I don't think so. 30 meters and spraying like crazy is more like it. And have you ever seen a laser rifle? It has no stock, no scope and no stand. It's built more like a shotgun than a sniper rifle.

As I've said before, if a rifleman is supposed to be a sniper then let us shoot like a sniper, one shot one kill from 1000m. Goodbye PvP.




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KardenTyrell
Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:10 am
#30

I wouldnt mind a 5 second cap if it meant for the damage modifier to be doubled



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b_ming
Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:49 am
#31






FurryFury wrote:
You guys need a 3 second cap. When any normal person thinks of a rifleman, a true sniper.... they do not think of them firing fast shots - thats ridiculous. A sniper will fire very few, slow and powerful shots. I'm tired of my mind being gone so fast in pvp because everyone is riflemen these days. You all deserve to get nerfed for complaining about a 3 sec cap on speed.






when i think of rifleman i imagine someone carring an M16 and im quite sure they fire quicker than 1 shot every 3 seconds.






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HARP00N
Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:28 am
#32






FurryFury wrote:
You guys need a 3 second cap. When any normal person thinks of a rifleman, a true sniper.... they do not think of them firing fast shots - thats ridiculous. A sniper will fire very few, slow and powerful shots. I'm tired of my mind being gone so fast in pvp because everyone is riflemen these days. You all deserve to get nerfed for complaining about a 3 sec cap on speed.






good one. Too bad the max range us snipers can shoot as is 64 meters, 1/3rd of the range a TKA or other brawler can knock you down, and it takes 7 point something seconds to cover 64 meters (i tested). That means we can shoot two times before the enemy gets to us.. and brawlers dont even have to get close
Owen-Lars
Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:41 am
#33

ill probably drop everything and go on a vacation in BH and see how i like it. By the time i master it, the devs will have changed rifle back to how it is now so ill come back hehe



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smokeAcola
Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:26 am
#34






Ihaf wrote:
If rifleman get a 3 second cap I WILL quit SWG for good. Nerfing isn't suppose to TAKE skills away... its suppose to ADD skills to other classes to counteract riflemans skills. SOE is the only MMO i've seen were they TAKE AWAY skills instead of adding more productive skills. Its pathetic. Giving a rifleman a 3 second cap would essentially 1/3 our total damage dealt. It is a profession killer not a nerf. People are tired of getting owned by Jawa ions? How do we fix it, add a 3 second cap to rifleman or change the jawa ion so that it doesn't go through armor like butter? Hmmm... common sense says fix the jawa, but obviously the Devs don't play this game... so why should we?





You are so stupid, do u know u people hit harder and faster then a master pistoleer which is not right if a rifle can shoot faster then a pistol. It is rediculous that u babys complain about a 3 second cap that will come in patch 8 i believe. One of u'r hits every 3 seconds is fast enough to take out someone mind quickly while they are trying to take out u'r buffed up health, or action. You should go over to the pistoleer boards and look at how many working specials we have, only like 2 for just pistoleer. Also what do they plan to do this next patch 7 , but nerf us more by making us weaker to melle. Enough said!!! Think about it!!







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Fred_Skinner
Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:59 am
#35





smokeAcola wrote:




Ihaf wrote: If rifleman get a 3 second cap I WILL quit SWG for good. Nerfing isn't suppose to TAKE skills away... its suppose to ADD skills to other classes to counteract riflemans skills. SOE is the only MMO i've seen were they TAKE AWAY skills instead of adding more productive skills. Its pathetic. Giving a rifleman a 3 second cap would essentially 1/3 our total damage dealt. It is a profession killer not a nerf. People are tired of getting owned by Jawa ions? How do we fix it, add a 3 second cap to rifleman or change the jawa ion so that it doesn't go through armor like butter? Hmmm... common sense says fix the jawa, but obviously the Devs don't play this game... so why should we?



You are so stupid, do u know u people hit harder and faster then a master pistoleer which is not right if a rifle can shoot faster then a pistol. It is rediculous that u babys complain about a 3 second cap that will come in patch 8 i believe. One of u'r hits every 3 seconds is fast enough to take out someone mind quickly while they are trying to take out u'r buffed up health, or action. You should go over to the pistoleer boards and look at how many working specials we have, only like 2 for just pistoleer. Also what do they plan to do this next patch 7 , but nerf us more by making us weaker to melle. Enough said!!! Think about it!!








A few points...


  1. We don't hit faster. In fact we NEVER hit faster comparing the comperable boxes through each of our skill trees... unless we use the range and damage gimped Spraystick. speed on ourweaponsand yours garentee this.

  2. Give the link to the official statement that Publish 8 will have a 3 second cap.

  3. In 3 seconds you can have us kd, dizzy and bleeding. ya, this is sooooo fair.

  4. You can buff too. I see it every day. btw, I use food and not buffs. Cheaper and more dependable...and no armour. I don't PvP ether, just PvE. I'm a Ranger, Rifleman is the only combat prof I can pick, I don't dare try to go up against you template fiends.

  5. Get your prof fixed. Fight for Dual Wield. I'd be with you on that and your best friend. A Master Rifleman actually means something compared to novice, about the ONLY prof that is that way.You coming here with this 'tude makes me want to punch something...

  6. They are fixing templates and the melee bug on us too. Also, I would not call this a nerf.

  7. We have thought about it, seaved through calculation upon calculation and testing upon testing. We have refuted many, many assertions about our über-ness.

  8. Next time come witha better endingthen "Enough said". It makes you look like you will not see reason, thus diminishing your arguments.



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Ranger is not a profession. It's a lifestyle.


PsychoticChipmunk
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:13 pm
#36






smokeAcola wrote:

You are so stupid, do u know u people hit harder and faster then a master pistoleer which is not right if a rifle can shoot faster then a pistol. It is rediculous that u babys complain about a 3 second cap that will come in patch 8 i believe. One of u'r hits every 3 seconds is fast enough to take out someone mind quickly while they are trying to take out u'r buffed up health, or action. You should go over to the pistoleer boards and look at how many working specials we have, only like 2 for just pistoleer. Also what do they plan to do this next patch 7 , but nerf us more by making us weaker to melle. Enough said!!! Think about it!!





Ok, so because you have many broken skills we should be brought down to your level. How does that make any form of sense? Also you need to realize that there are more factors which cause a weapon to be unique beyond DPS. For instance carbineers get to KD people in a wide cone, well that equates to 0 damage coming from my end however should they be hitting me just as hard even though I have no way of knocking them down? Think about that for a little bit.


Oh, and in your response I'd prefer it if you would use pure english over a few pieces of internet ebonics seeping in, and obey the laws of courtesy like not typing in bold. You know, things like that.




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Owen-Lars
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:16 pm
#37


You are so stupid, do u know u people hit harder and faster then a master pistoleer which is not right if a rifle can shoot faster then a pistol. It is rediculous that u babys complain about a 3 second cap that will come in patch 8 i believe. One of u'r hits every 3 seconds is fast enough to take out someone mind quickly while they are trying to take out u'r buffed up health, or action. You should go over to the pistoleer boards and look at how many working specials we have, only like 2 for just pistoleer. Also what do they plan to do this next patch 7 , but nerf us more by making us weaker to melle. Enough said!!! Think about it!!



Think your the stupid one mate and its you who has to go away and think about it. My basis for this:


  • On many occasion the devs have resisted in givingus 'TRUE' sniper skills leading the rifleman community to believe we are infact machine gunners.

  • The animations in combat (excluding the suposed 'sniper' skill) allsuggestour guns are automatic weapons firing a volley of bolts rather than single shots.

  • Our AOE specials suggest we use automatic weapons able to fire a wave of shots at the enemy. Are you seriously trying to tell me that someone shooting a pistol should be able to fire faster than an automatic weapon? If so WOW you realy are insane.

  • A rifle should be more powerfull and fire faster than a pistol, its the ultimate grunt weapon. If you see soldier marching into battle would you expect him to be carrying a rifle or a handgun as his primary weapon?

I would expect in this game world that rifles and carbs are king at ranged combat and account for the majority of ranged combatants. I would expect pistols to slip somewhere between melee and rifle/carb. They arnt in the same class, you should be theclose quarters gunners, fighting in cities or confined area.


If i have my way it id make carbs the kings of ranged combat, make pistols asclose-medium ranged combatants and make rifles the kings of long range combat with sniper skills and a justifyed speed cap. However they arnt giving us sniper skills and are still thinking of giving us a speed cap.


Please stop trying to ruin the rifle profession simply because your profession is broken.




THORTAC BALCOR
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bountyhunter229
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:45 pm
#38

I just doesn't make sense to give us a speed cap and justify it by saying that we are snipers when we can not conceal ourselves, or one shot kill from 100+ meters,in PvP combat.


I would love to be a sniper,but the game machanics do not allow me to shoot farther then a pistol, nor do they allow me to hide (in PvP). What I have is a big gun that does more damage. Therefore I am a heavymachinegunner, and once I master my gun (and marksmanship) I should be the deadlyest ranged combatant on the battlefield.


If they are going to speed cap us and turn us into snipers, give us increased range, or the ability to conceal ourselves, ora one-shot-one-kill specialor all three.





bountyhunter229
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:49 pm
#39

I'll just go combat medic if we get nerfed too bad.




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