Rifleman Archive
Thread: Either NERF the Jawa ion rifle or make it a REAL ion rifle.
XaverriJade7
Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:09 pm
#27
HA-SuperNaut wrote:
XaverriJade7 wrote:
Why are you overt if you know this is going to happen? You have no business even trying to PvP if you cannot make sure you are prepared. This means having buffs, food and Stun armor(Which is not hard to find nor is it out of your price range if you can buy 'normal' armor). I do have to agree there are way too many Riflemen though. A temporary nerf to the Jawa wouldn't bother me, but I wouldn't fight for that change since I'm sure too many other 'real' Riflemen wouldn't appreciate it
DDARK wrote:
I have neither the time or money to run around buffed all the time, buying alot offood, and looking for good stun armor (wich is almost impossible to get withut spending a fortune)
I want to play the game, have fun and get a challenge, not running around in constant fear of beeing whacked at every corner at starports or grinding money all the time.
I've been a master rifleman since august 2003. I havent used a Jawa Ion rifle in a long time. I find my loot dropped DXR-6B to be much better at doling out the damage, as most everyone on my server has IPSG's and Stun armor. I'd like to see more protection from Lightsaber damage than anything from stun.
I did use my Jawa alot back when nobody had stun armor. it was much fun. But we all adapt.
So I take it you wouldn't mind a change to the Jawa Ion Rifle until the revamp either? I know it isnot the real problem, but if it shuts up the whiners, what do we care? Also not sure why people say how long they've been a MR- as if it makes them better? I have been one since launch as well, big deal. There are new things forus to learn every day as things are constantly changing. Many people on my server have the same Stun protection as anywhere else, but sometimes people are not prepared. As has been pointed out elsewhere, Stun damage is what to use against an unprepared PvPer. If they have Stun protection, I prefer my DXR-6b too. 
The amount of Lightsaber protection we have now is probably all you're going to see- and it is enough. Ranged professions are not designed to compete with Jedi which is why you don't often see them fare too well against them. A TKM with a LS PSG will stand a very good chance against a Jedi. Stacked defenses will almost assure him/her the win. If you want to fight Jedi at range, you're going to need some Fire DoTs and good running shoes 
Other than that, you're better off leaving them alone(unless they'rea newbie Jedi 
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Other than that, you're better off leaving them alone(unless they'rea newbie Jedi )
Waste93
Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:12 pm
#28
XaverriJade7 wrote:
So I take it you wouldn't mind a change to the Jawa Ion Rifle until the revamp either? I know it isnot the real problem, but if it shuts up the whiners, what do we care? Also not sure why people say how long they've been a MR- as if it makes them better? I have been one since launch as well, big deal. There are new things forus to learn every day as things are constantly changing. Many people on my server have the same Stun protection as anywhere else, but sometimes people are not prepared. As has been pointed out elsewhere, Stun damage is what to use against an unprepared PvPer. If they have Stun protection, I prefer my DXR-6b too.
I see one problem with this. Would it really keep them quiet? People will always complain about something. But if you give in to them once just to keep them quiet. It will be expected the next time it happens also.
It also leads to those people saying "See I told you that XXX was overpowered. If it wasn't you wouldn't have agreed". Not realizing or caring that people will also give in just to be left alone for a bit.
But does appeasement actually work?
XaverriJade7
Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:48 pm
#29
Yes, I am sure you are correct. As I said, I would not support a change to the Ion Rifle to appease the whiners since most Riflemen would not want that. PvP is only a very small part of the game and I keep that in mind 
However, I might support a temporary change if I knew it would make our numbers significantly decrease(it breaks my heart to see so many 'Master Riflemen' everywhere). I do doubt that would actually work and I doubt it would ever generate enough concern for the Devs to do anything about it until the revamp. So even though I wouldn't necessarily mind a change, I realize it is not the best course to take
However, I might support a temporary change if I knew it would make our numbers significantly decrease(it breaks my heart to see so many 'Master Riflemen' everywhere). I do doubt that would actually work and I doubt it would ever generate enough concern for the Devs to do anything about it until the revamp. So even though I wouldn't necessarily mind a change, I realize it is not the best course to take
PsychoticChipmunk
Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:18 pm
#30
Appeasement can work, it just depends on what is given up and what is the next "domino." For instance the jawa ion is fine to give up since it would prevent whining in that regard and tone down complaints against us to just being a heavy hitting class (we're supposed to be so any complaints there can easily be rebuffed) and targetting mind. (CB is removing that as a definative power)
This does not mean that there should be no line in the sand however. Them calling us hypocrites for not folding the second time when it actually hits us in a core spot or in a major design area we don't appease them. We stand our ground and can easily brush off any idiocy brought up by us "giving in" with the ion. Basically pick you battles. Is the AP of a jawa (which vulnerability doesn't take into effect) really a battle worth fighting such a long board war over? Them trying to make us "snipers" is them attacking our main base head on, them trying to take out the AP is them attacking some godforsaken hell hole half way around the world whose name we don't remember nor can pronounce.
Sebana1
Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:30 pm
#31
Does anyone else realized how messed up it is, if this was actually Star Wars, that a few of the things which you'd use an "ion rifle" on have great stun resists, 'cause for some reason the ion rifle shoots stun!
This would just make people cry for an even bigger rifleman nerf, BUT! The AT ST, AT AT, and all the battle droids, should be vunerable to the ion rifle, 'cause it should shoot "ion" damage!! 
Mangiacapra
Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:38 pm
#32
Any rifleman worth their salt realises that a good t21 or dxr d*cks on a jawa any day, unless its sum uber 70 dmg krayted dmg sliced one, people just tend to go for jawa's cos u can get a reasonable one with 6 x 30 dmg tissues and a good dmg slice, even then you have a hard time beating a prepared enemy with it spamming hs3. True nabs die fast, but tbh they should learn how to protect themselves.
I dueled a m8 with my 450 krayt jawa, and i was finding it hard work to ware down his mind buffs and good slice stun helm, we dueled for about 8 mins and if i'd kited him for abouthalf an hour i might of got the edge.....isthis gonna happen in normal pvp. no. so its not thebe all and end all. True it can be devestating in large pvp action to finish targets quickly with supportfrom other classes, but then so wasCM, and now jedi.
rifleman is only strong when combined with other skills.
Message Edited by Mangiacapra on 08-29-2004 11:40 PM
SpunkyKuma
Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:55 pm
#33
You're kidding right? The only good Jawas out there are the Krayt ones, otherwise normal damage sliced ones (310+ max w/o pup) isn't going to do all that much vs stun/PSG and has low accuracy since it can't be crafted with a scope nor stock. And realize you should be more prepared if you intend to roam the planets as overt.
A good rifleman will carry a decent T21, DXR6-b, a decent alternative profession and won't always aim for the mind pool. I was in the DWB last night with a guild mate of mine helping her grind fencer and some guy came in and hit nothing but the mind pool on everything with his rifle and scythe while I did flurry and strafe shots on the BS thugs to stun and help bring down the health pool for my guild mate.
A good rifleman will carry a decent T21, DXR6-b, a decent alternative profession and won't always aim for the mind pool. I was in the DWB last night with a guild mate of mine helping her grind fencer and some guy came in and hit nothing but the mind pool on everything with his rifle and scythe while I did flurry and strafe shots on the BS thugs to stun and help bring down the health pool for my guild mate.
Vicci A'Tivo - Elder "in your face" Bounty Hunter
mafiree
Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:33 pm
#34
jawas suk if the perosn ur fighten has a half brain and a stun w/a psg
then ur best friend is a dxr or a nice t21 if ur lucky enough to find a krayted one
TheCapn2000
Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:42 pm
#35
nikazza wrote:
you only have 3 posts, you are new to the game, and therefore you should probably get beat by someone who has played for a year, dont you think?
Just because someoneonly has3 posts does not mean they are new to the game...remember...most people don't read the forums.
Pistoleers also have stun weapons that can do stun mind damage...A pistoleer with BH eyeshot can be just as deadly as a rifleman with a jawa ion...Only difference is the ranged DB.
ToyotaSupra360
Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:50 pm
#36
50% psg and 38% stun armor makes them not hit very hard ya know? you could even use synthsteak!
EonSaber
Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:40 pm
#38
How bout you just pick up rifleman and get a Jawa Ion go out in pvp and see how much people you ACTUALLY kill... not as much as you think.. after intim, and most rifles dont have any def. vs KD, Dizzy, Stun.. and block doesnt even work.. If it bothers you that much pick up master brawler and use lunge 2 (20m KD).. You will win the time, and in any city rifleman cant really win against a melee, they thrive in the open.
JEAUX_ZUF
Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:30 pm
#39
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