Rifleman Archive
Thread: Should We Rifleman Start Preparing???
DomMantell wrote:
Gh3ttoCru1s3r wrote:
lol i seriously doubt this. There will be pre-nerf weapons.....the devs cant just strip players of their weapons.
You apparently missed the CURB details that were posted a few weeks ago when they announced changes to the armor system.
Because of this change, ALL weapons are going to have to be balanced against the new system.
I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you indicating our "uber" weapons will be nerfed to the power of common weapons? They may have said all weapons will be balanced within the new system, but that doesn't mean weapons are getting nerfed.
What I mean is, they (I think TH) definitely indicated that a weapon that is "uber" (I hate that word) now, will still be "uber" compared to other weapons after the CU.
If you are so adverse to these "Uber weapons", and them outdamaging you, here's a seriously novel idea, find a friend. Outdamage me. Oh, why won't you do this? Because you don't wnat to split loot. Even I hunt in groups in the Graveyard, mor ekills, more friends, and it's a better experience. Try it sometime instead of complaining that one person outdamages you by yourself on the forums.
Well, then that's your problem lol.
They were clearly available to everyone, and well, you made a dumb decision. Even an ADK'd 90%, 26% Comp piece is uber since you can stick in some Uber AA', or a 60% PSG ADK'd. Maybe if you had one, these weapons wouldn't be something to b!tch about eh?
As I assumed you made the question so you could interpret it as a win for you no matter the answer. What you don't seem to understand is that fact that people complaining about "uber" equipment does not have to mean they are jealous. There are people whom are truthfully concerned about balance because they think it will make a better game for everyone.
I am a fencer and I have a good ackly stun baton and gaffi but I would be much happier if the ackly bones had never been introduced. To have something that will make a weapon do 2-3x or more damage when a basic crafted one means there will never be any possibility for balance, I mean do you balance the with the basic damage or the enhanced damage in mind. Either way and you will end up with imbalance. This is also the reason that the legendary weapons as they exist today must go away in the CU/R/B, if not when what was the point doing a CU in the first place.
Joker9125 wrote:
Ok bro you just completely proved that gear not skill makes you good in this game. It dosent matter if my opponent has been playing fencer since beta 1 and knows every trick in the book give me30% stun armor,ADK 40%stun PSG, and my 511 Puped jawa against a fencer using the same armor/psg setup but with a normal non enhanced stun baton and I will win 99/100 times. This MMO is all about the numbers. If my numbers beat yours then I win. Plain and simple. These weapons should still be good but they shouldnt be as godly as they are now. Yea it sucks that you just dropped 30 million on an Ub3r gun but your gonna have to accept that after the C/U/R/Bit might not be the godly weapon it once was.
Jasef wrote:
/scream I have said it sooo many times and noone understands, Exceptional weapons do NOT make someone uber. It is NOT hard to defeat someone with one if you're good, and unless they're really good. Sorry to use you as an example, but I don't lose to fencers, ever. Stun PSG ADK'd+synth=done. The onyl professions that are currently nearly an I win button are CM's which are beatable too if ou have doc, or Jedi, which Exceptional weapons solve the problem to.
Message Edited by Jasef on 03-16-2005 01:03 PM
Jasef wrote:
a). You could buy one
b). Would you argue that you deserve the same as someone who's been playing two years?
And PvE, bring some friends. Having experienced using a 3k max hammer, I am still outdamaged by three or so peopl, or a jedi....
where did that come from? and since when does time paid to SOE necessarily make anyone worth more than the other?
i believe in giving long time players little trophies and unique items but giving anyone a ADK was a bad idea. you continually avoid the point i was getting at, about RISK vs REWARD! my point is there should be RISK in using those uber "i win buttons", as in *gasp* decay!
SickSix wrote:
Jasef wrote:
a). You could buy one
b). Would you argue that you deserve the same as someone who's been playing two years?
And PvE, bring some friends. Having experienced using a 3k max hammer, I am still outdamaged by three or so peopl, or a jedi....
where did that come from? and since when does time paid to SOE necessarily make anyone worth more than the other?
i believe in giving long time players little trophies and unique items but giving anyone a ADK was a bad idea. you continually avoid the point i was getting at, about RISK vs REWARD! my point is there should be RISK in using those uber "i win buttons", as in *gasp* decay!
if they want to give vets 'no maintenance' kits, thats fine. little trophies cool. but tradable ADKs allowing someone to create a suit of armor that will never ever decay, was a bad idea.
but i'm done arguing this in this thread. this has gotten offtopic.
oh lol, I'm not stating it specifically against you, just saying that playing for two years, also gives you another right to have an advantage...
Jasef wrote:
SickSix wrote:
Jasef wrote:
a). You could buy one
b). Would you argue that you deserve the same as someone who's been playing two years?
And PvE, bring some friends. Having experienced using a 3k max hammer, I am still outdamaged by three or so peopl, or a jedi....
i believe in giving long time players little trophies and unique items but giving anyone a ADK was a bad idea. you continually avoid the point i was getting at, about RISK vs REWARD! my point is there should be RISK in using those uber "i win buttons", as in *gasp* decay!
if they want to give vets 'no maintenance' kits, thats fine. little trophies cool. but tradable ADKs allowing someone to create a suit of armor that will never ever decay, was a bad idea.
oh lol, I'm not stating it specifically against you, just saying that playing for two years, also gives you another right to have an advantage...
And that's also an issue, we've stuck through eveyr bug, every screw-up, we deserve something better than terrible trophies, they that, and the player base was riotous, ADK's were a long time coming, and while yes they can be invaluable, I would sya that anyone's who's stuck through the game for two years deserves one...This isn't off-topic, it's about having an adavantage. Somone who has more money, who's been playing longer, inherently deserves an advantage.
Yes and you/we who have played longer will always have an advantage be it in experience/money/what ever but that doesn't not in any way justify the existance of "uber" weapons. Before ADK's these uber weapons had a built in controll feature called decay, that does basicly not exist anymore. The devs have given veteran players a few months to play with these toys before the CU but that's it.
Mcgreag wrote:
And that's also an issue, we've stuck through eveyr bug, every screw-up, we deserve something better than terrible trophies, they that, and the player base was riotous, ADK's were a long time coming, and while yes they can be invaluable, I would sya that anyone's who's stuck through the game for two years deserves one...
This isn't off-topic, it's about having an adavantage. Somone who has more money, who's been playing longer, inherently deserves an advantage.
Yes and you/we who have played longer will always have an advantage be it in experience/money/what ever but that doesn't not in any way justify the existance of "uber" weapons. Before ADK's these uber weapons had a built in controll feature called decay, that does basicly not exist anymore. The devs have given veteran players a few months to play with these toys before the CU but that's it.<-- Where do you get this? Are you in the CU? Have you received emails detailing it?
That's what the ASK is, a true reward. and Money and Experience are not rewards. What will I do with my 900k xp thats been capped for four months? the decay wa sout of hand anyways, one day of solid use could use a weapon, that's stupid.
Not to mention, where do you guys think that Uber weapons will simply dissappear? The MOST I ahve gotten, which is from a good friend in the CURB, that all weapons will be adjusted, but if your weapon is uber now, it will still be very, very uber, especially if it's 2500+ max.....
Message Edited by Kaica on 03-16-2005 03:27 PM
Message Edited by Kaica on 03-16-2005 03:29 PM
I didnt work very hard to get it. I got a set of 8 54 damage tissues from a krayt then the slicing gods granted me a 33% damage slice. Didnt even take 4 hours total. So why should I who got lucky on a slice be given an I win button over someone who has played for the past year and much more experience with his professionthan I have with mine?
Jasef wrote:
I'm not fighting uber weaps, I can make 10-20m a day easily if I spend enough time and effort so it's not abotu my rifle, what bothersme is the notion that Uber spans a ton of things, includign your jawa, why shoudl you, who probably worked a good deal to get it, be subjected to be lesse rthan someone who did not indeed make the effort to get a nice weapon? Also, although what we know is vague, the notion isn't to make the CU have the little guy be able to compete, if he doesn't have good equip, then he'll lose, the point, is to fix all of the professions, and the way the combat system works as far as specials, ham's, etc. work.
Message Edited by Jasef on 03-16-2005 01:03 PM
Jasef wrote:
Mcgreag wrote:
And that's also an issue, we've stuck through eveyr bug, every screw-up, we deserve something better than terrible trophies, they that, and the player base was riotous, ADK's were a long time coming, and while yes they can be invaluable, I would sya that anyone's who's stuck through the game for two years deserves one...
This isn't off-topic, it's about having an adavantage. Somone who has more money, who's been playing longer, inherently deserves an advantage.
Yes and you/we who have played longer will always have an advantage be it in experience/money/what ever but that doesn't not in any way justify the existance of "uber" weapons. Before ADK's these uber weapons had a built in controll feature called decay, that does basicly not exist anymore. The devs have given veteran players a few months to play with these toys before the CU but that's it.<-- Where do you get this? Are you in the CU? Have you received emails detailing it?
That's what the ASK is, a true reward. and Money and Experience are not rewards. What will I do with my 900k xp thats been capped for four months? the decay wa sout of hand anyways, one day of solid use could use a weapon, that's stupid.
Not to mention, where do you guys think that Uber weapons will simply dissappear? The MOST I ahve gotten, which is from a good friend in the CURB, that all weapons will be adjusted, but if your weapon is uber now, it will still be very, very uber, especially if it's 2500+ max.....
Your friend had best be very quiet or he could be permabanned from ALL SOE games andcan be charged and suedas well. The NDA covers these "tips" quite well and if he is even whispering a or b to you he is violating the NDA.