Rifleman Archive
Thread: Laser rifle useless!!!
I think whoever posted that a laser rifle does 700-900dmg most of the time pretty much summed up why they are useless.
My dlt20a does 700-900 damage. everytime.
a 400dmg mind shot with a laser rifle? thats nice, my dlt20a does 400dmg-600dmg mindshots. everytime.
2400dmg hits? ok thats nice, who do you know that has over 2000 in the mind pool without a spice? I certainly dont know anyone. I do know that most people have less than 900 though, which means I can 1 hit everyone with my dlt20a.
3.4 speed laser rifles? wow how special, and long does that take you to empty your ham bars with? Oh and a fast laser rifle means you can get a second shot off ? no.. you wont, because the first shot wasted your mind ham bar, and made it even less than it was before, thus even EASIER to 1 hit you.
Oh did, i mention my dlt20a is 5.2 speed, 134-214dmg, and has a 14-30-25 for the ham costs? PvE or PvP, it owns the laser rifle. in all aspects.
guys.. laser rifle's PVE might be great, heck, i've only been using rifle since weeks ago..
but have you guys tried PVPing a lot? sure sometimes its cool when u hit for 1500... overkill the guy twice right..
but i've had a couple of battles where i used headshot2 for 98 and then 165... (2v1) and i even used mindshot.. though it was only 158) on the second guy...
the point is that it takes mindshot 20 secs to proc.. so when u're fighting ALONE, its freaking useless cause nowadays no battle last that long.. unless u're kiting.. (kiting with a rifle? lol)
and when u're outnumbered.. even kiting won't work.
the other point is that.. in PvP, i want a guarantee that i can kill someone in one or two hits... or at least as close a guarantee as possible..
with laser, the chance of overkilling (redundant) and underkilling (u're screwed) is high.. thus its not a reliable weapon.. cause seriously, doing 1000 damage and 2000 damage is the same to players.. they're dead..
so i totally agree that in PvP, we need a more reliable weapon (somewhere around 120-200 range.. thats all we need to one-two shot ppl)
i've been lucky with my rifle so far... killed 6 rebels, died twice.. mostly one on one.. some one on two..
3of those kills are one-shot (my swordman skill = obsolete in pvp =(
taking chances is all fine and dandy, but i'd rather find a reliable weapon =)
Something that i notice that you guys moight not have picked up.
I dont know if this is the case for all rifles but certainly did notice when i was using my rifle.
With the laser rifle i use, 16-354 dam, 5.3 attack, you have to be at the appropriate distance to get constant figures.
If im prone and at 60 yards - i constantly fire of anywhere between 1k - 1.3k using HS2, now if the target does come close i.e inside my ideal range the hits do get lower, but if i can keep it at my ideal range of 60m it always hits for low 1k's.
Give it a shot guys, its pretty hard to get exact, becuase there is such a small margin for ideal range and out of range when you are using laser.
Myself i am fast developing tactics that involve - hitting mind shot 1, head shot 2, head shot 2 with laser and if they come close making my Laser ineffective i swith to my DLT20a to finish him off.
My best effort so far is 2, thats right 2 storm troppers in the one fire fight - that is like 15k mind pool damage. (my mind is at 1200 - with the benefits stats at 800)
and as for the DLT20a comments being better than rifles.
Well im not sure but do you even play a Rifleman?
I have more of a chance with my laser that i ever had with my DLT20a! Proven practise, maybe you need to work on your tactics a little more and not rely on just the weapon.
"If im prone and at 60 yards "
Not sure about this, but I dont get a chance to go prone 60 meter out on a Player often, since im usually spotted at 128 meters out heh. I walk up to Ancorhead, and I hear people yelling, "Imperial on my Radar!!"
TookrakLarrin wrote:
and as for the DLT20a comments being better than rifles.
Well im not sure but do you even play a Rifleman?
I have more of a chance with my laser that i ever had with my DLT20a! Proven practise, maybe you need to work on your tactics a little more and not rely on just the weapon.
The reason the Laser Rifle is not good, is becuase of those few times It hits for 100. I prefer not to die, I like keeping my kill to death ratio around 50 to 1. 
I cant trust it enough to do that high damage all 50 times, to make it so I keep that ratio. Im just wondering, wince my Weapon Crafter turned a Tuskan into an awsome RIfle, if he can bring the Laser Rifle, a bit higher on the lower damage.
By the way, so you all know next patch Weapon Crafters will now be able to experiment and make HAM costs lower. So were pretty much set to not have to worry about the speed problem costing so much HAM,Im sure if a Weapon crafter spends the time to make a Rifle good, he can get it quite low. Tuskan DMG on alot of normal ones, are around 100 dmg, and my WCer got it up to 115-199. So Im thinking theyll be able to half it, or maybe even more.
and as for the DLT20a comments being better than rifles.
Well im not sure but do you even play a Rifleman?
I have more of a chance with my laser that i ever had with my DLT20a! Proven practise, maybe you need to work on your tactics a little more and not rely on just the weapon.
Yes, I am a rifleman. In fact, i hold the Sniper title and am halfway up all the other tiers, if that makes a difference to you. And thats all with trying to keep ch and ranger skills up as well.
DLT20a is better than a laser rifle, its very very reliable and hardly even dents your ham pools.
mine, 20% damage sliced is 134-214. 5.2 speed. (I know you can get em up to about 150-250, perhaps even a bit higher). This is un-modified with power ups. laser rifles, even the best are about 20-400, and about 6 speed. sliced. my average damage multiplier is 174, the laser rifles average damage multiplier is 200. with the speed takin into account, the damage ratio is pretty **edit** near the same.
so, given that their damage ratios are pretty much =, given the laser rifles is higher, but not by much, then it really just comes down to reliability. and the dlt is much MUCH more reliable. I took mine into theed today and dropped about 10 imperials within 5 minutes each in 1 shot before anyone spotted me.
THAT my friend, is "Proven practise"
OH, and I should work on my tactics eh? how many rancors have you soloed, exactly.
i've done 3
Its as simple as knowing that with a 10 minumum dmg, its going to do 200 or less dmg every once in a while, and theres nothing you can do to avoid it. I dont want to be the one doing that 200 dmg, and then the other guys doing a consistant 2000 dmg, with a T21. If Laser Rifle is the max you can go do to limited resources, sure, go get it. Have I used one? Rarely, its just not a good weapon. But Yes I have sued them, I wont be buying any of them though. I have been given drops from people farming the Jedis.
When you do that 200 dmg, and I hit you for 1100 or 2000+, you will realize the mistake you made.
You dont have to use it to know its going to be un-reliable, even if its a rare occasion.
Thats like deciding you want to race, and buying a race car knowing, hey this thing every once in a while is going to go 10 MPH, while everyone else goes 300 MPH, but you know what thats fine by me.
CloseHauled76 wrote:
ok - let me settle this once and for all. The laser rifle is NOT useless.I just PREFER the E11 and have come to realize, through my own personal experience, that for my style of play, especially in PvP, that the E11 is a better weapon FOR ME. Now, if the laser rifle's minimum damage was increased by about 70 points, that weapon would be the shizzle.
So why not used a good crafted laser rifle with a superbly crafted min damage coupler (or whatever powerup it is.. I can't remember). There are some crafters that are able to create the 33% modded ones. Wouldn't that boost up your min damage enough?
Zev