Rifleman Archive
Thread: Understanding why people cry nerf...read BEFORE you cry nerf
Like I said I don't know what they are so I guess I"ll just concede the point but still that is simply adjusting mods on a gun. I have, many times actually, promoted the idea of giving us a high damage, high AP, slow rifle (35 seconds on the gun so we can't spam shots) as a sniper rifle and nerf the T-21 to be lower AP maybe up the damage a little and let it be an assault rifle.
That way we can pick and choose our speed. If what you are trying to suggest is a speed cap then I am quite staunchly against you (I choose pistols at noonish) but if what you mean is something similiar to what I posted above then add your voice to the choir. I honestly feel that carbines should be the fastest, then rifles, then pistols since that is much more realistic but that isn't what the devs want so oh well I suppose.
Really I guess we all just need to wait another month or so (lowsy leap year) for the revamp so we can all re-adjust our templates and relearn everything. I'm more or less screwed since I'm just able to get MRM and master marksman (plus a line of smuggler) with my palette but oh well I can live with whatever happens since I'm sticking with rifles for the long haul. Got here wading through the 2.5x modifier and warping so why drop it now.
Exactly my point. Nerfing is not a solution but try to figuring out a way to balance thing abit. I seen so many times people scream nerfs to CH, Pistoleer until CH now a almost crap and Pistoleer well dont want to go deep here. Anyone remember how pistoleers really badass in pvp with disarming shot 2? The thing is people just cry for nerf on whatever class they feel over power ATM. Unfortunately, Rifleman/TKA, Rifleman/CM or Doctor ATM. Rather than bash or insult those who disagrees with you try to see their points and maybe come to some compromise. Make no mistake, there will always be a godly template or people rather fond of saying Flavor Of The Month template.
Well let's close this chapter and just enjoy whatever template you have until combat revamp.
Tiduch wrote:
Exactly my point. Nerfing is not a solution but try to figuring out a way to balance thing abit. I seen so many times people scream nerfs to CH, Pistoleer until CH now a almost crap and Pistoleer well dont want to go deep here. Anyone remember how pistoleers really badass in pvp with disarming shot 2? The thing is people just cry for nerf on whatever class they feel over power ATM. Unfortunately, Rifleman/TKA, Rifleman/CM or Doctor ATM. Rather than bash or insult those who disagrees with you try to see their points and maybe come to some compromise. Make no mistake, there will always be a godly template or people rather fond of saying Flavor Of The Month template.
Well let's close this chapter and just enjoy whatever template you have until combat revamp.
you see, people dont like to die, so instead of adjusting their playstyle, they find it easier to go cry nerf alot... thus, things like these happen.
kubakabra,
I am sorry if my English offense you. you see, English is not my mother language. You have that advantage over me, for that I am not apologize. But for you to nit pick on someone grammatical or spelling without knowing if they use second or even third language to communicate with you, that says to me plenty about you. I dont give a rat about your perfect gramma and spelling. I think most people probably get a point I try to make. So if you want to talk about speed problem in this game I am more than happy to try to communicate thru English.
FYI Anyone who has master rifleman and pistoleer can confirm to you that master rifleman shoot faster than master pistoleer with any rifle with speed delay of 5 sec to 7. for master pistoleer to shoot any pistoleer specials, with an exception of Stopping Shot , he needs a pistol with speed 1.7 or less. Noticed most DX2, FWG5, Republic Blaster, and Tangle all have speed of 2.2 or above when craft.
But i am not here to rant or calling for rifleman nerf. just point out a couple of interesting point. Who care what the mathematic formuler is when you can shoot any special at any weapon speed at 1 shot per sec with 100 weapon speed mod. And if you really care about mathematical formular then please stop by Pistoleer forum and read about the weapon and speed there.
Oh next time when you jump on someone about their gramma and spelling I suggest you proof read your message a few times to see if there are any miss spelling, eh?
The burden of proof always lies on the presenter. As such you are the person who should lurk in the pistoleer forum and find out the information on their speed delays and such. However since I'm a nice guy at times I'll grant you this one omission and use these stats I found right off the bat on their stickied threads (stats for the gun, I got the personal speed modifier off of a character builder so they could also be off). If it's wrong then get the right one, if the shot isn't the best for PvP then get the right one:
Stopping Shot: 5.0x damage modifier. 4.0x delay modifier
Shot speed = weapon speed [* special delay] * (1 - (personal speed modifier * .01))
Shot speed= 2 x [ 4 x (.26)]
Shot speed= 2 x 1.04
Republic Blaster has speed of 2.5 using the fomular it comes to 2.6 for stopping shot.
DX2 has 2.4 speed so roughly same.
Tangle gahhhh 3.0+ speed so horrible.
Man now I wish I didnt post any darn thing at all. Whole time didnt want to piss or calling for any kind of nerf just try to point out something alot of people think bogus or bug.
People bring up rifle speed but totally ignore how easy to go from speed 90 to 95 or 100 to reach speed cap. Or dont even need extra speed if using 5 sec speed Jawa.
Finding skill mod to go from 90 to 95 way more easy than from 74 to 95.
Trust me I am not here to bad mouth rifleman or defense Pistoleer. Just point out the speed discrepancy.
Or maybe I try to reach 100 posts see if I became Veteran like alot of people, who know? lol
Take it easy and enjoy the game
Yes, but the weapon's speed is not what needs to be verified. What is a pistoleers attack speed with solely pistoleer? I'm a MRM and MMark so I don't know this, you need to find it out. What is the best and most used attack for either PvE or PvP (for us it's HS2 and SS2) I'm a MRM and MMark so I don't know this, you need to find it out.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser. You say that we have too much speed in comparison to pistols well I gave the equation with likely dated numbers, you need to go and find the actual ones to get an accurate answer. I'm not going to do all the work for you since I am the one on defense here.
I will never understand the argument of 'pistols shout shoot faster then rifles' if someone could explain to me why, in clear, logical andunderstandible terms, I will be amazed. I can not see any basis for this suggestion. If Rifleman was renamed Sniper, then yes, but we arnt, we are Riflemen, the user of of rifles, these may be either the Sniper Rifle (even though these are not in the game) or the user of the support weapon, Light Machine Gun/Medium Machine Gun (which, in Star Wars RPG books, the T21 is one of)
Some one explain to me why and how the pistol should be faster, and I discuss it.
Anyway, I thoughtthe latest patch did away with the Template/Defense stacking problem?