Rifleman Archive

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Wynchester wrote:
Yer 10n qwnd fur teh \/\/1n!

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Hey Troll where in there did he say he used an Jawa Ion on the BH.

Hmmm lets look Warcry + equip T21+ headshot.

Nope a T21 is not a Jawa Ion, go away Wynchester.

Cairnsb,

Here are a few things why people cry about rifleman

- Templates master rifleman/TKA, Rifleman/CM all can target mind pool.

- Enhance Jawa rifle tore thru composite. Best stun composite atm what, 39% stun?

- Rifleman using big T21 with 7 sec delay shoot special at 1 shot per sec, is it reasonable?

- High accuratecy make you guys rarely miss.

As you can see I dont post much but only suggest if you try to defense your templates also try to understand what other people say. Alot of people cry for nerf true but also alot of valid points being raise here. If you dont admit to true valid points then all it come down to is the whining battle see who cry the loadest get other nerf.

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Tiduch wrote:

Cairnsb,

Here are a few things why people cry about rifleman

- Templates master rifleman/TKA, Rifleman/CM all can target mind pool.

- Enhance Jawa rifle tore thru composite. Best stun composite atm what, 39% stun?

- Rifleman using big T21 with 7 sec delay shoot special at 1 shot per sec, is it reasonable?

- High accuratecy make you guys rarely miss.

As you can see I dont post much but only suggest if you try to defense your templates also try to understand what other people say. Alot of people cry for nerf true but also alot of valid points being raise here. If you dont admit to true valid points then all it come down to is the whining battle see who cry the loadest get other nerf.

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Here are a few things why people cry about rifleman

- Templates master rifleman/TKA, Rifleman/CM all can target mind pool.

- Enhance Jawa rifle tore thru composite. Best stun composite atm what, 39% stun?

- Rifleman using big T21 with 7 sec delay shoot special at 1 shot per sec, is it reasonable?

- High accuratecy make you guys rarely miss.

As you can see I dont post much but only suggest if you try to defense your templates also try to understand what other people say. Alot of people cry for nerf true but also alot of valid points being raise here. If you dont admit to true valid points then all it come down to is the whining battle see who cry the loadest get other nerf.

Regarding profession stacking: If people are crying about Rifleman because of Rifleman/TKA or Rifleman/CM, then how does that justify nerfiing Riflemen/Doctors, Rifleman/Carbineers, Rifleman/Scouts or just plain Riflemen in general. The whole point of this post was that Riflemen (or [insert any profession here]) are not the problem. It is stacking and other unintended issues resulting from multi-profession templates. Therefore care must be taken in calling for nerfs on a specific profession.

Regarding the Jawa: The fact that Jawas tear through composite is irrelevant. All stun weapons tear through composite. Tangle pistols and Stun batons do stun damage and they ignore composite in exactly the same way. Why pick on Rifles?

Regarding Shot Speed:

Shot speed = weapon speed [* special delay] * (1 - (personal speed modifier * .01))

T21 at 7 second delay.

Personal Speed modifier at Master Rifle: 90

On autofire:

Shot speed = 7 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * .10 = .7 seconds per shot, so firing at the speed cap.

Headshot 2: Speed modifier 1.75

Shot Speed = 7 * 1.75 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 1.75 * .10 = 1.225 seconds per shot (not the speed cap)

Strafeshot2 (our best damage multiplier): Speed modifier 3.5

Shot Speed = 7 * 3.5 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 3.5 * .10 = 2.45 seconds per shot (nearly 2.5 x the speed cap)

Yes, the one second cap can be reached with this rifle even with Strafeshot2, but only by adding Master Marksman and/or by adding enough speed tapes. Pistoleers with no enhancements reach the speed cap long before they reach Master Pistoleer. Yet even at Master Rifleman, you cannot hit the speed cap with the most important specials without additional help outside the skills earned by the profession. So how does this justify nerfing Riflemen because of speed?

Regarding High Accuracy: Yes, we are accurate, but not moving and shooting a moving target at close range. At distance, we are much more accurate, and that is the way it should be. However, I have fought a high defense stacker who was able to dodge 99% of the shots I took despite the fact that I was prone, at my weapon's optimal distance, and he was standing and not running around (though he was fighting other people standing toe-to-toe with him). Don't miss? I am supposed to be part sniper. I am not supposed to miss, but against certain builds like this guy's, I could barerly scratch him despite being at virtually the optimal circumstances.

Please get your facts straight.

Sotaudi,

I think you the one need to get the fact straight. I didnt come here to call for rifleman nerf but rather points out a few things that do not go well or shouldnt be the way they are.

Why dont you give a master pistoleer a tangle pistol with speed 3 sec delay and measly 130 damage and ask him shoot his special at 1 sec per shot?

Please dont tell me master rifleman does not shoot his special at 1 sec per shot. You sir are a hypocrite.

Are you also blind to the fact that enhance jawa can reach 400-500 damage and light piercing too?

Like I said I am not here to call for rifleman nerf. Please reread my post.

BTW in rl when did you see a sniper shoot faster then a pistol?

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Tiduch wrote:

Sotaudi,

I think you the one need to get the fact straight. I didnt come here to call for rifleman nerf but rather points out a few things that do not go well or shouldnt be the way they are.

Why dont you give a master pistoleer a tangle pistol with speed 3 sec delay and measly 130 damage and ask him shoot his special at 1 sec per shot?

Please dont tell me master rifleman does not shoot his special at 1 sec per shot. You sir are a hypocrite.

Are you also blind to the fact that enhance jawa can reach 400-500 damage and light piercing too?

Like I said I am not here to call for rifleman nerf. Please reread my post.

BTW in rl when did you see a sniper shoot faster then a pistol?

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Since you obviously missed what he said I"ll repost it for you

Regarding Shot Speed:

Shot speed = weapon speed [* special delay] * (1 - (personal speed modifier * .01))

T21 at 7 second delay.

Personal Speed modifier at Master Rifle: 90

On autofire:

Shot speed = 7 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * .10 = .7 seconds per shot, so firing at the speed cap.

Headshot 2: Speed modifier 1.75

Shot Speed = 7 * 1.75 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 1.75 * .10 = 1.225 seconds per shot (not the speed cap)

Strafeshot2 (our best damage multiplier): Speed modifier 3.5

Shot Speed = 7 * 3.5 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 3.5 * .10 = 2.45 seconds per shot (nearly 2.5 x the speed cap)

As for the jawa ion that is a compeltely different matter. What is it that people want nerfed about it? Remove it's high damage even though it is a rifle and all rifles have high damage (which will essentially remove it's usefulness completely) make it fire much slower so we are using it as a sniper rifle? (at least somewhat acceptable I suppose) The obvious and best thing to ask for that counters our weapon would be a suit of armor that is most useful against stun. Not stun layers but rather stun armor that is piss poor vs something else, acid perhaps or kinetic or maybe just regular energy damage. There you go, problem solved vs us and any other stun weapon that gets introduced.

I read what he posted. How about you think about this ok? Master rifleman has speed mod of 90. Now, how hard is it to find a few +2 rifle speed tapes or armor attachments to reach 95-100 for speed cap? Now take master pistoleer with speed mod 74 how many does he need to reach his speed cap with Republic Blaster or DX2?

All I am saying is if you going to defense your class please defense its with some inteligent anddo not ignoresome of the valid points other raise. Otherwise, it will come down to which group crythe loudest get the other nerf.