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Thread: This is what needs NERFED!!

Draccuss
Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:14 pm
#14

I agree that Doc buffs need to be nerfed.


I just had a thought. What if they move Doc buffs more in line with food buffs and make it so you can't combine food andspice with them.To make it fair to the doctors make it so that doc buffs last longer, like maybe 45 minutes but only400-500 or so to each pool (no secondary bonuses or a small amount maybe). Now increase the HAM on players and make it static across only health action and mind. What I mean by that is the primary stats could be raised to something like 1500-2000 but you can only migrate from one primary stat to another. Now secondary stats would stay at around the same and players can migrate between the secondaries. Add damage mitigation and reduction for PvP and this would makethings much more interesting while keeping it fairly balanced throughout the professions.


I don't know, I'm just bored and had a thought!! I just find thatin PvP if you are not buffed it usually lasts for about 30 seconds whether that is me being killed or me doing the killing. It would seem that if our HAMs were increased and a cap of like 500 max for bonuses it would still be fair andplayers would still have a chance to kill in PvP because they would know that at the most this player only has another 500hp on top of what he would normally have.


Just a thought.



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Brahn-Cholo
Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:41 pm
#15

BTW Quite a few mentioned spamming HS could still be done.... but think of it this way.. Without buffs.....It really only factors in as a deadly shot when Riflemen are buffed by food or whatever.....with mind focus and willpower....and the opponent isnt. Cuz if the opponent is maxed with brandyor food or moun like we might be. The Head Shots wont hurt as much as without that stuff......

Well guess what...If we maxed out our filling in food for mind....and drink for mind......then tap a moun gold......it leaves our HA vunerable. We havent usedfood to buff it...... we would have to balance it out somehow... Or else our HA could get waisted before the time we have to spam our shots. So to protect our HA part of our HAM.... we couldnt buff up or MIN Focus and Willpower only..... we would need to save some room in our bellies for Food for our Health ...or action....

So then.....we couldnt spam HS3...without it hurting our HAM some


Im telling you, if you think it through properly, getting rid of Buffs Balances this game out alot!!
D3st0r
Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:19 pm
#16

After the combat rebalance everything will change. Every normal player will be given a 4th unbuffable HAM bar that specials will drain from, similar to a Jedi's Force Bar. This will mean that you cant just sit there and spam Advanced Strafe constantly for hours on end, or any other specials for that matter. That will eliminate this problem.




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PsychoticChipmunk
Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:55 pm
#17






D3st0r wrote:

After the combat rebalance everything will change. Every normal player will be given a 4th unbuffable HAM bar that specials will drain from, similar to a Jedi's Force Bar. This will mean that you cant just sit there and spam Advanced Strafe constantly for hours on end, or any other specials for that matter. That will eliminate this problem.




Where did you read that? Linky please. And finally. God I miss the old days (I was still low in the tree even) of PvP when people couldn't wear a full suit of composite armor and the armor wasn't even that good. Spamming specials normally meant stopping to heal 4 times in 10 seconds and.../sigh nostalgia, she is a bitter mistress.




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D3st0r
Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:15 am
#18

sorry m8 I dont have a link to any official statement of this, I only know of it from things that I have heard from very reliable sources that I trust, believe you might be able to find some info in the In Concept forum though, one of the combat rebalance posts.


And I agree, it will change the very basics of how the game is played. Right now, pvp, and even PvE is just target the person, and spam this special 1000x until its dead. After this, every shot will count, you'll need to know how to take down dif players and creatures using the right attacks for the situation before your 4th HAM bar runs out and you're forced to auto-attack. Cant wait to see what happens with it.




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PsychoticChipmunk
Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:18 am
#19

Well not to push you for anymore that you don't really have but do you know if specials will just cost from this special bar or will it be like normal so we'll get the shaft again thanks to high mind costs plus high other bar costs undoubtedly. If you don't know that's alright I really don't expect you to. Taken with a grain of salt like everything I read here. Even if it has a red name next to it sadly.



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Brahn-Cholo
Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:18 am
#20

sorry geddo....but without the help of food..... Strafe2 could not be possible to spam that long. Your HA would get chucks taken out of it big time. regardless of moun. Moun only helps your mind. NOT your HAM.... and unless your Strentgh and Quikness are up near 1400 then...sorry i dont see it hapening. And you can't get it that high without food. so in essense what i said earlier still applies
Sylk01
Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:40 am
#21

100k for buffs? NOT far off now. Some Master Doc was charging 50k for a rez and 25k for buffs outside the new Ggeonosian Lab last week. All I could say was "No thank, I'll clone" when I died at his feet and he said 50k.



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Fred_Skinner
Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:47 am
#22






Cozumel wrote:

2 Brandy Drinks @411 +Focus/+Mind/+Will power for +811 to all mind related stats.


1 Pixie for Ham/Action... +1000 health and like +900 action +misc stats (roughly..something similar to that anyway)



Whats to stop him from spamming Strafe-2 again?



Health and Action. They get the multiplier too. Unless he uses buffs... have we caught up yet?




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Brahn-Cholo
Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:50 am
#23

TY Fred........... Exaclty.... There will be a balance without the Doc buffs. If you put everything into your mind... even though your mind loses no Pool points.....The damage multiplier of a HAM cost on the gun you are shooting will still Take chunks of your Health and Action away..... Thus limiting you to spamming so much, and making your Health and action pools more vunerable to the enemy attacks. You wont be able to eat anymore food to buff up your Health and action pools, cuz you are filled up from boosting your mind.


Or, the flip side is:


You even it out.... eat a bit for all parts of your HAM... so you still lose a little bit of Health Action and Mind... but very little. The buff system here should be Food...Drink....and spice. Not doctor buffs.


This will also make Chefs more popular.......and more ofa need in the community. And as i said above before...will enable Creature Handlers to use pets in PvP again...


I say again.......DEV's Get rid of the BUFFING SYSTEM by Docs.........it is ruining the game.


Klaw or TH if you read this thread... PLEASE pass it on somehow....


flabajaba2213
Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:54 pm
#24






Sylk01 wrote:

100k for buffs? NOT far off now. Some Master Doc was charging 50k for a rez and 25k for buffs outside the new Ggeonosian Lab last week. All I could say was "No thank, I'll clone" when I died at his feet and he said 50k.







Meaning no disrespect, but Docs charge what they charge for a reason. If you charge that much for a rez, then that helps to cut down on the tells that you get from people who say, "D()()d....BUfF M3!!".



Believe me, even with a novice doc title on for 1 minute, then taking it off and putting up the medic tag, I still got a ton of tells. Also, you don't want toget there, rez the person, have them be a 0201 marksman, who gives you 200 credits. It costs a lot of cash to buy good resources for our stims and buff packs. for health D's, for example, it can be up to 120 cpu for good avian meat of certain servers!!


You can easily drop about 1.5 million in creds for resources in a month, which you may get back in about 2 months worth of buffing, unless you have a huge stockplie / second account.


also, not to sound like a jerk, but rezzing is a service. If someone wants to be rezzed, they can pay or go to the cloning center. If you were in teh Doc's position, being annoyed constantly with few resources, would you charge 2k for a rez, or would you charge what you could get?




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D3st0r
Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:13 pm
#25

The only reason that you need to rely on Docs is because everyone else gets buffed, its not the devs fault that this has happened. Just tell everyone to stop getting buffed before they go into pvp.


And I dont know for sure that they will be adding the 4th bar, this is just something I've heard from a source and it seems very likely considering that not being able to spam specials is the huge disadvantage for jedi right now.


They were also talking about nerfing special spamming, bringing more strategy into it, Doctor Buffs are also kind of gettnig the nerf bat, they wont be able to hit in the +3000 range anymore after patch 7.


When you play as a Jedi though, you know you have a specific amount of Force Power to spam specials with. You need to make the most of that power to take down your target, you cant just sit there and spam 1h Flurry all day long because you've got buffed HAM. It adds alot more strategy to fighting.




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Sotaudi
Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:18 pm
#26

While a lot of good points are being made, I disagree that it is buffing that is the main problem. Yes, that is part of it, but the bigger problem isarmor. Ignoring regen for a moment, a buffed and unarmored 3K HAM pool can only take 30 hits averaging 100 damage per hit, but a 700 HAM pool hiding behind armor that only lets through 20 damage per hit can take 35 hits. Now, put that 3K HAM pool behind that armor, and it will take 150 hits before the HAM is depleted.


This is one of the biggest reasons for the nerf cry to Rifleman. Pistoleers, prior to the Sonic blaster, would hit people in full composite armor and only get 20 points of damage per shot. We can easily average 100 - 200 point hits against the hardest to buff pool, mind, even when they are wearing full composite armor if it does not have stun protection and we use the Jawa. Take away the armor or reduce its effectiveness, and the buffing would not be as big of an issue.




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