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Ackehece

Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:42 pm

chintto wrote:

being an idiot is not a good argument for Rifleman being overrated.....uses some common sense...armor...buffs...master status, then comeback and try...try to tell me that rifleman are overrated...They just recieved a blast damage rifle, that pretty much makes commandoes obsolete...they hit mind...have the second best def stats in the game...ect. The most powerful pvp templates in the game are master rifle/tk and master rifle/combat medic. This post should be deleted.

"Opinions should be expressed, but pure incompetentcy should not be tolerated."

-chintto

Chintto learn about what you are talking abuot. we did not get a blast rifle (why does this myth persist!) we got a ap 0 heat rifle (noth ing spectaculer there)

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Xechran

Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:49 pm

#15

/sigh great post, sry about having to put up with that FoTM flamer it happens

And your right, unless you grab Master Marksman and a few seas or justMRand like what did they say, +7 speed or so in seas you wont hit cap. Hard to do for an average gamer.

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Jonny_America

Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:44 pm

#16

This is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen...

If some one says riflemen are over powered then everyone swarms after them saying how many weaknesses riflman has, and if some one says ya rifleman isn't that good, then you folks do everything short of ripping him/her a proverbial new one.

Why are you getting mad at him for saying rifleman is overrated. It is overrated. It is good that everyone knows that rifleman, by itself, is overrated. The last thing riflemen need is people believing riflemanis "uber elite." People say that riflemen are unbeatable all the time; they obviously aren't, hence riflemanis overrated.

This guy didn't say nerf riflemen, he said rifleman by itself doesn't "own." He asked a question which no one even responded to, instead you just started making personal attacks on him. I have read these forums since July and and this is the most unjustified flaming I have ever seen.

Anyways, as for your question edine, it is best to pick up some defense vs states (ie dizzy, KD, blind) and then try to max ranged and melee defense. Fencer is the best defensive proffession, offering plenty of melee and ranged defense, and a good deal of defenses, especially vs KD. However TKA does have the meditation line which is arguably the most useful line in the game, giving yourself 500+ buffs to all primary stats and curing wounds, poisons, and dieaseses, and alledgedly giving you a melee accuracy buff. Good luck to you my friend, and may you find a friendlier audience upon later encounters.

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MrFunSocks

Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:54 pm

#17

He asked a question that has nothing to do with the rest of his post. And yes, when people say something I disagree with, I post. however, there are people on both sides of the fence. So, when people say things I do agree with (that riflemen are obscenely overpowered) there are also people there to make posts opposite to it. Rifleman by itself, or with simply the pistoleer or fencer KD defenses, or even just a bit of thakitillo, is one of the most powerful single PvP classes around. If you don't agree, maybe you haven't fought a good rifleman. A good rifleman is nearly unbeatable, barring another rifleman, orsome fencer templates. The holes in rifleman are very very easy to fill.Nevertheless, you really didn't have anything to contribute, so Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.

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Jonny_America

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:15 pm

#18

Whoa there little buddy, aside from answering his questions, I contributed a lot more than the guy saying he was no good at the game.

I appreciate you using the military terminology to spell out some over used derogatory statement, it really contributes quite a bit.

As for your comment about holes, once again youa re talking about a template, where as the original post was about rifleman... "holes" included. The fact that you mention filling the cons of rifleman with another proffession completely invalidates the rest of your arguement. Rifleman by itself, is a nice proffession, but it is not over-powered. It has no KD, no posture change down attacks, no or little defense vs KD, posture change down, or dizzy. If any Master Melee proffessions get to a Master Rifleman, he is dizzy kd/posture change... dead. Smuggler, low blow, last ditch, dead. Carbineer, charge shot, cripple shot, dead. The only lone elite combat proffession that is not in my opinion on equal footing with rifleman is Pistoleer. A lot of people say carbineer as well but I have played master carbineer and it needs more speed, but it as nice attacks, even after the charge shot fix.

So the problem does not lie with the proffession of rifleman, rather it lies with the ability to fill the "holes", as you so aptly put it.

Ryywonka
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- ~~Gaping Spider Queen~~~~~Merek Death Head~~~~~Mantigrue Screecher~~~~~Archane Widow~~~Great Plains Stalker~Bull Rancor -

MrFunSocks

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:35 pm

#19

Re-read. Thakitillo is a perfectly good option, instead of investing in another profession. Besides, getting just the pistoleer defenses, which are completely adequate, still leaves you enough to master another elite profession, and get a medic skill or two. You can even be an architect, rifleman, with just pistoleer defenses and be an incredibly PvP capable fighter. His argument was basically that as a rifleman not trying to be all he could be, he couldn't be others who WERE trying to be all they could be, but he did well against people of a similar "skill" level as he. Which is basically saying nothing. By the by, I used radio (not military, just general radio) letter representations because the board edits out that, as well as Wiggle Trapeze Flambé.

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Kiodo

Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:01 am

#20

yo socks...simma down a bit.....his opinion is just as good as yours.

here is the jist of the original post.

he is a master rifleman with rifles4....not master marksman...just your minimal 92sp. it is at this level in which he is stating it is an overrated profession. YES with the good ol' dabble you can make rifleman a very powerful class but this is not what he is posting about.

if you are looking at doing some dabbling, take up some tka....4004... this way you will get yourself meditate and some nice ranged/melee defenses. then for that close range combat when they get out of rifle range, maybe pick up fencer as you get really nice state defenses most notably def vs KD and dev vs posture change down with all the others mixed in as well. if you are moreso looking for raw up close power maybe look into swordsman as you get the nice mind smashing hits to go along with the mind shooting.

now, alot of these people that are capping out their speeds have probably mastered marksman to get the extra speed bonus as well as possibly have some SEA's that have upped the speed also. as for pvping....dodge is probably the best as it seems you get hit a helluva lot less with high dodge than high CA or block

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JinnEx

Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:27 am

#21

First of all edine, this is not meant as a flame, I am simply critically pointing out the root thing that is contributing to you difficulties.

First, you wrote:

edine wrote:

I don't understand all you nerfers, riflemen, even at master level, are by no mean 'uber'.

<snip>

And then later wrote:

edine wrote:

<snip>

I am your ultimate type of 'average' player, I don't grind, I don't calculate how to get the highest template and get an uber character.

<snip>

The thing is, its not the rifleman profession here, that's 'uber' or 'average'. You said it yourself, YOU are an average player. This game is structured in a way that you, as a player, have to make and execute some very important tactical decisions (no matter your professions). The ONLY way to become proficient at doing that is to do them A LOT. Practice. The best PVP'ers PVP ALL THE TIME, or at least do so regularly enough to know what works and what doesnt in what situation against a certain type of foe, and experiment with new specials or combinations to see what they do, under what circumstances. You cant be 'average' and expect 'uber' results. It just doesnt work that way. Rifleman is WAAAAY more than buying a decent T-21 or Jawa ion rifle and pressing your headshot3 or strafeshot2 button. This may be to cold and hard of a reality for youto face, but its the truth... Learn some tactics and practice them.

Like I said, I DO NOT mean this as a flame, this is simply a critical analysis of the problem you seem to be coming up against and suggestions for addressing it.

Darth_Llama

Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:50 am

#22

chintto wrote:

being an idiot is not a good argument for Rifleman being overrated.....uses some common sense...armor...buffs...master status, then comeback and try...try to tell me that rifleman are overrated...They just recieved a blast damage rifle, that pretty much makes commandoes obsolete...they hit mind...have the second best def stats in the game...ect. The most powerful pvp templates in the game are master rifle/tk and master rifle/combat medic. This post should be deleted.

"Opinions should be expressed, but pure incompetentcy should not be tolerated."

-chintto

**edit**?!?! Umm, no we didn't.

yay!

Barb-Wire

Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:38 am

#23

chintto wrote:

being an idiot is not a good argument for Rifleman being overrated.....uses some common sense...armor...buffs...master status, then comeback and try...try to tell me that rifleman are overrated...They just recieved a blast damage rifle, that pretty much makes commandoes obsolete...they hit mind...have the second best def stats in the game...ect. The most powerful pvp templates in the game are master rifle/tk and master rifle/combat medic. This post should be deleted.

"Opinions should be expressed, but pure incompetentcy should not be tolerated."

-chintto

your "blast damage rifle that makes commandos obsolete" doesnt exist. the weapon you are referring to is the berserker rifle. it is not blast, it is AP 0 and has crappy damage stats in the range of what a bad spraystick is like.

second no one has a "god given right" to any damage type. pistoleers have a kinetic damage weapon are all the melee types obsolete?? swordsman does melee is the TKM obsolete?? BH can do fire damage are commandos obsolete?? pistoleer best weapon is acid based are carbineers obsolete??

your argument has holes. and many of them

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IceNine777

Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:58 am

#24

No we are unber at master level when you play correctly

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edine

Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:14 am

#25

Like I said, I don't care if rifleman is uber or not, and I don't have the time and that strong of a desire to be uber. I did not start this post to get myself uber. At this point, I am serviceable in PvP (as in, I kill some, i get killed some), which an average player is supposed to do, and I like the way it is. When/If they nerf rifleman, it will make average player less than average in PvP (get killed all the time) and that's unfair for the rest of us who didn't go all combat template.

I guess, in lamest words, my points are

RIFLEMAN IS FINE THE WAY IT IS, LEAVE US ALONE!!

MrFunSocks

Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:28 am

#26

Amazing. I assure you, you aren't the average player. The average player actually tries to win, doesn't just buy a gun and jam the headshot3 key. It doesn't take much, a nice suit of armor, some thakitillo, some nice brandy, a good T21, a decent jawa rifle, you're pretty set against about 80% of the PvP opponents. Just 'cause you're too stubborn to do anything but use a vendor-bought T21 and some unenhanced brandy with no armor doesn't mean rifleman isn't strong.

And as I said before, there are ways to fill the holes WITHOUT ANY DABBLING. The fact that apparently some of you don't know how to read makes me frightened.

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