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Thread: Beating Feign Death
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CrashNgoBoom
Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:27 pm
#131
It's too easy for a smuggler to not get "griefed." All the have to do is type /stand. No black bar, no armor decay, no wasting hours just laying around, just a quick trip to the cloner. When we black-bar smugglers or blow their bikes, or destroy their armor, it's just to give them an incentive to get up and get the DB. There are fates much worse then death. To sayattacking someone who hit the "FD hotkey" is griefing, is to say attacking someone who used a group TEF and hit their "headshot3 hotkey" is griefing. In both cases the person can completely avoid the situation by taking that skill off their hotkey and not using it. It is 100% optional and doesn't ever have to be used. If they want towaste 3 hoursof play time and get upwith 999 wounds, 0/0 condition on their armor and still lose thier buffs, that's thier problem.
Slarus
Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:43 pm
#132
It's too easy for a smuggler to not get "griefed." All the have to do is type /stand. No black bar, no armor decay, no wasting hours just laying around, just a quick trip to the cloner. When we black-bar smugglers or blow their bikes, or destroy their armor, it's just to give them an incentive to get up and get the DB. There are fates much worse then death. To sayattacking someone who hit the "FD hotkey" is griefing, is to say attacking someone who used a group TEF and hit their "headshot3 hotkey" is griefing. In both cases the person can completely avoid the situation by taking that skill off their hotkey and not using it. It is 100% optional and doesn't ever have to be used. If they want towaste 3 hoursof play time and get upwith 999 wounds, 0/0 condition on their armor and still lose thier buffs, that's thier problem.
Yeah as I said so it's basically is they FD you grief using an exploit to keep damaging them because you have to 100% of PvP end it in DB, you wont allow anything less, how childish. To say that it's 100% optional your just forcing folks to take the DB cause of an exploit that allows you to keep damaging them. Childish, just plain childish.
Dragonbanisher
Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:37 pm
#133
It's hot exploiting to shoot a guy who FDed in the game since it's official that feign death is "working as intended" for the pvp scene. Now exploiting WAS using a shot to raise their position so you can kill them. Then yes I'd give you that. That would have been an exploit but it has been corrected already.
Kag
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:54 am
#134
nest time just call your closes Combat medic buddy and pump him full of every disease you got once he is black in all 3 bars let him live 
CrashNgoBoom
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:12 am
#135
It's not childish to want a DB on someone you engaged. This is a game and death is an everyday part of it. If I don't get a DB then I don't get any pvp rating and/or faction points(the onlypvp reward Ican get)for my time and effort of getting to the point that someone would FD'd on me.
Slarus
Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:18 pm
#136
It's not childish to want a DB on someone you engaged. This is a game and death is an everyday part of it. If I don't get a DB then I don't get any pvp rating and/or faction points(the onlypvp reward Ican get)for my time and effort of getting to the point that someone would FD'd on me.
I call it as I see it, childish griefing.
CrashNgoBoom
Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:27 am
#137
Slarus wrote:
It's not childish to want a DB on someone you engaged. This is a game and death is an everyday part of it. If I don't get a DB then I don't get any pvp rating and/or faction points(the onlypvp reward Ican get)for my time and effort of getting to the point that someone would FD'd on me.
I call it as I see it, childish griefing.
Well, have fun being griefed while the rest of us take our DB's and move on.
Slarus
Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:41 pm
#138
Well, have fun being griefed while the rest of us take our DB's and move on.
Dont get to the Smuggler's boards much I see.
AquitisCM
Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:07 pm
#139
No I tried it starle doesnt work.
What I do and will continue to do is simply pull out my PvE T-21 and strafe them if you have a 4-5 friends with you doing the same thing you can waste their armor fairly fast. This is done alot on my server and I have done it more times then I can count and a CSR has never said anything about it. It also makes FD alot less common.
Slarus
Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:24 pm
#140
No I tried it starle doesnt work.
What I do and will continue to do is simply pull out my PvE T-21 and strafe them if you have a 4-5 friends with you doing the same thing you can waste their armor fairly fast. This is done alot on my server and I have done it more times then I can count and a CSR has never said anything about it. It also makes FD alot less common.
Yeah CSR a font of info, half tell you one thng half tell you another, but common courtesy says it's definatly not a good thing to do, but who cares about courtesy let's be as spiteful as we can be and employ childish tactics to grief others.
Ackehece
Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:50 pm
#141
Slarus wrote:
Sounds likethey should relate the feign death skillto taking some drug/pill which would stop your vital signs for a period of time. Every time you use that action a pill is taken, you go into a 'deah state' for an alotted amount of time. During this 'state', you cannot be killed or attacked. However, the FD playercannot get up until it's worn off and there should be a drug like downer that has to pass before a player can FD again.
Again we are talking about limiting smugglers most of all, this is the timer excuse and it's designed to allow the person to DB the FDed one, that's all it is to force the DB in every fight. if FD ends combat it ends call it a draw or the person who forced the other into FD call them the winner, but it ends, it is a clean ending the only thing it lacks is the DB and that seems to be the emphasis to all these arguements, is when someone FDs I cant DB em so lets nerf it. DB does not have to be the end of combat, it really doesnt.
Nerfing smugglers is not the answer, down playing bloodlust is.
Your missing the point here. A BH has a mission to complete in game - it is a game dynamic. If he can not complete a mission because someone is using a skill in such a way that he can never ever complete (misuse I think) then it should not be allowed in that situation. To say a BH - who has probably tracked a jedi across several planets, spents a fortune on tracking droids and has finally caught up with a jedi - and amazingly actually gotten a jedi into a situation in which a DB is possible and then the jedi Feigns death... Is unfair to the BH as much as it is to the Jedi to be in that situation. Feign death should a) either change or b) not be allowed by jedi. It is that simple. To say play down the bloodlust is the opposite of what the devs intended in the BH vs Jedi dynamic. The devs have stated time and again the BH'rs are to be the control on jedi population but if the bounty hunters can not fulfil their purpose due to a skill like Feign death - the smugglers feign death will be nerfed or the jedi will be... take your pick.
<edits out the flames>
Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-13-2004 03:50 PM
LowbaTherf
Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:52 am
#142
I can fully understand someone using FD in PvP, and it being legitimate. It is a skill designed purely to keep DBs from being a punishment. But for Jedi vs BH, the Deathblow is a game mechanic designed to punish the Jedi. As a Jedi you have been given special skills nonJedi do not have. And, it doesn't have to make you the strongest character in the game. I don't care if the skill was crafting Jedi biscuits, you are getting special skills. Also, you become Jedi by choice. It is supposed to be hard, long and frustrating. And if you don't want to be hunted, lay low. Don't run down streets with your lightsaber out. And less BH will come after you. They still will eventually, but that is how the game works. So I agree with FD ending a BH mission successfully, and making the Jedi lose some XP. That is how the game was designed. You can either be a normal profession, or you can go for the Jedi profession. And if you go for Jedi, expect hardship.
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