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Melvic

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:06 pm

Goldear wrote:
I do believe and someone will have a hard time convincing me otherwise that we should be harvesting at least 2,3,4 times as much as a Master Scout. I say this looking at the template a Master Scout can spend skill points on, and effectively kill more than a Master Ranger in the same time period.

The ability to kill more is certainly an issue, but that is because the rest of the skill points spent do not seem to add much benefit to the MR (camping/terrain/trapping). So it is a little unfair to compare the two solely on skill points as harvesting is not the only thing a MR should be good at. I am really hoping the Combat Upgrade makes these other skills, particularly trapping and camping, much much more useful and making rangers a needed asset in any group (which groups in turn should also be more of a necessity).

Sinkuu

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:07 pm

#106

Tiggs wrote:

Sinkuu wrote:

I like what bughunt just said.

but to what Tiggs said... that's wrong.

"if I'm the only Master Ranger in the group, everyone else gets a 40% boost. I don't. I only get 20%."

what's the point of me grouping to give OTHER people help? I'd rather just hunt solo, if by grouping, I'm letting other people harvest MORE than me. if I have a Ranger with tracking 4 in my group, they're getting 40% boost, which is NOT covered by the extra I get from being a Master Ranger, even with the 20% boost I get for being grouped.

am I right in this?

Tsk Tsk don't doubt me Sinkuu =P

Actually, you would get a 30% bonus because of the other player being a non-Master Ranger.

Pounce!

so then, by your logic:

a Master Ranger (harvest 100) gets a +30 bonus for being grouped with a ranger = 130.

a 0040 ranger (harvest 90) gets a +40 bonus for being grouped with a Master Ranger = 130.

ok, explain this to me.

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Vorpaks

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:12 pm

#107

Tiggs wrote:
Folks,
How about you jump on Test Center or TC-Gorath and do some tests. Let me know if Rangers/MRs are getting less then the group and I will bring those results to the team. Sound good? =)

If I am grouped with my Scout buddies and they are getting a group benefit of 40% and I am only getting a group benefit of 20% I am getting less of a benefit then they are.

Paks
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Melvic

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:13 pm

#108

Sinkuu wrote:
so then, by your logic:

a Master Ranger (harvest 100) gets a +30 bonus for being grouped with a ranger = 130.
a 0040 ranger (harvest 90) gets a +40 bonus for being grouped with a Master Ranger = 130.
ok, explain this to me.

I was thinking the grouping bonus was applied on top of the skill mods, so 100 + 30% = 130 but 90 + 40% = 126. I know it is not that big of a difference between those two levels, but it is a much bigger difference when someone has a lower skill mod. Not saying it works this way, but it is what came to my mind when I read it.

Calculus_Entropy

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:14 pm

#109

Tiggs wrote:

Folks,

How about you jump on Test Center or TC-Gorath and do some tests. Let me know if Rangers/MRs are getting less then the group and I will bring those results to the team. Sound good? =)

I guess I shouldn't have gone to lunch! Yes, let's test this thoroughly!

If a Doctor can buff himself and his groups for equal amounts, why can't a Master Rangerget the same benefit of grouping that an non-Master Ranger gets?

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

GangaWolf

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:15 pm

#110

Sinkuu wrote:

Tiggs wrote:

Sinkuu wrote:

I like what bughunt just said.

but to what Tiggs said... that's wrong.

"if I'm the only Master Ranger in the group, everyone else gets a 40% boost. I don't. I only get 20%."

what's the point of me grouping to give OTHER people help? I'd rather just hunt solo, if by grouping, I'm letting other people harvest MORE than me. if I have a Ranger with tracking 4 in my group, they're getting 40% boost, which is NOT covered by the extra I get from being a Master Ranger, even with the 20% boost I get for being grouped.

am I right in this?

Tsk Tsk don't doubt me Sinkuu =P

Actually, you would get a 30% bonus because of the other player being a non-Master Ranger.

Pounce!

so then, by your logic:

a Master Ranger (harvest 100) gets a +30 bonus for being grouped with a ranger = 130.

a 0040 ranger (harvest 90) gets a +40 bonus for being grouped with a Master Ranger = 130.

ok, explain this to me.

Actually, it is a percentage. So your example should be:

Master Ranger (base harvest 100) gets +30% = 100*(1.3) = 130

0040 Ranger (base harvest 90) gets +40% = 90*(1.4) = 126

So in "actual" amount harvested, the Master Ranger still makes out better.

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Cryos_Merovingian

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:16 pm

#111

My big beef isn't that a master scout could potentially harvest more than a master ranger when grouped together (although that does seem strange). And I don't think that arguing over who harvests more, actualnumbers, etc isgoing to get us anywhere.

My real problem with this is that the application of the bonus does not make sense. Having a ranger in a group provides a group hunting bonus. IMO, as long as a master ranger is within 64m of a group member, that MR should recieve a 40% bonus. This makes even further sense given that two novice scouts near each other will get a 40% bonus even if a MR who is grouped with them is on another planet (am I not correct on this one tiggs?).

Hopping onto TC won't fix my concerns because it's not the actual numbers that I'm really concerned about... it's the theory behind the implementation of this new harvesting system.

We're really close to getting it here... but we're not quite there yet.

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Sinkuu

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:17 pm

#112

Melvic wrote:

I was thinking the grouping bonus was applied on top of the skill mods, so 100 + 30% = 130 but 90 + 40% = 126. I know it is not that big of a difference between those two levels, but it is a much bigger difference when someone has a lower skill mod. Not saying it works this way, but it is what came to my mind when I read it.

thank you, melvic. you explained better than I did.

and I'm not sure if a 0040 Ranger is 90, or 95. if it's 95, then with the +40%, it's 133, more than the Master Ranger.... which means a problem.

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"Light side, Dark Side.... I'm the one with the Carbine!"
."Players come to our game because of what we put in there. We come out, we make a system change to our games--and what does it do? It alienates our players,? he said. ?Instead of sticking to the thing we love, we start changing it. The 3.5 million people who are already playing our game, they're happy! Why are we changing it??

Calculus_Entropy

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:18 pm

#113

Vorpaks wrote:

Tiggs wrote:

Folks,

How about you jump on Test Center or TC-Gorath and do some tests. Let me know if Rangers/MRs are getting less then the group and I will bring those results to the team. Sound good? =)

If I am grouped with my Scout buddies and they are getting a group benefit of 40% and I am only getting a group benefit of 20% I am getting less of a benefit then they are.

She wants the raw numbers though...ie. in a group, what does the Master Ranger get and what does a Novice Scout get. if the novice Scout gets more (actual resources) then there is a problem, if the master Ranger gets more, there is still a problem (philosophically) but it is working as intended.

As a Master Ranger, you goal is to make everyone else fat and happy under this new system.

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

Tiggs

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:19 pm

#114

Sinkuu wrote:

Tiggs wrote:

Sinkuu wrote:

I like what bughunt just said.

but to what Tiggs said... that's wrong.

"if I'm the only Master Ranger in the group, everyone else gets a 40% boost. I don't. I only get 20%."

what's the point of me grouping to give OTHER people help? I'd rather just hunt solo, if by grouping, I'm letting other people harvest MORE than me. if I have a Ranger with tracking 4 in my group, they're getting 40% boost, which is NOT covered by the extra I get from being a Master Ranger, even with the 20% boost I get for being grouped.

am I right in this?

Tsk Tsk don't doubt me Sinkuu =P

Actually, you would get a 30% bonus because of the other player being a non-Master Ranger.

Pounce!

so then, by your logic:

a Master Ranger (harvest 100) gets a +30 bonus for being grouped with a ranger = 130.

a 0040 ranger (harvest 90) gets a +40 bonus for being grouped with a Master Ranger = 130.

ok, explain this to me.

Sinkuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, look two posts up please =) Now go hit TC *pushes Sinkuu towards the login server* Let me know what you find out after testing please and I will take my pounce back =) Seriously, go test it out please and if there are issues I will talk to the other Devs.

DaQuilla

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:22 pm

#115

A MR has +10 on a xx4x Ranger ... so that's 105 ... so 30% on that would mean 136 > 133

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Sinkuu

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:22 pm

#116

Tiggs, I would, but I don't have the space on my HD to join the TC, and I have RL stuff to tend to where I can barely handle my main toon.

I'm not being mad, I'm just being factual. I'm hoping the more recent posts with more accurate numbers are a help. I have faith that those who ARE going on to the TC this weekend will prove the point.

I thank you for the time and effort in coming here to listen to our arguments.

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"Light side, Dark Side.... I'm the one with the Carbine!"
."Players come to our game because of what we put in there. We come out, we make a system change to our games--and what does it do? It alienates our players,? he said. ?Instead of sticking to the thing we love, we start changing it. The 3.5 million people who are already playing our game, they're happy! Why are we changing it??

Sinkuu

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:23 pm

#117

DaQuilla wrote:

A MR has +10 on a xx4x Ranger ... so that's 105 ... so 30% on that would mean 136 > 133

I wasn't sure if there was a cap at 100 or not.

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"Light side, Dark Side.... I'm the one with the Carbine!"
."Players come to our game because of what we put in there. We come out, we make a system change to our games--and what does it do? It alienates our players,? he said. ?Instead of sticking to the thing we love, we start changing it. The 3.5 million people who are already playing our game, they're happy! Why are we changing it??

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