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Thread: Ranger Revamp: The Proposal
Ihaveabadname2
Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:23 pm
#92
Should i list the companies who have MMORPGS that have stopped Radar?
Oh wait.. that's all of them right?
I thought making your radar was only a Myth!
I know I win. 
Besides that, how about since they're going "revamp" Ranger whenever, you can go for another name change! . They should atleast change camouflague to Carebearflague! That would fit right into our profession, of uselessness when it comes to fighting the most challenging thing in a MMORPG.. umm human, funny huh?
No offense, butdon't wookies already have "Bow"casters? 
Message Edited by Ihaveabadname2 on 02-21-2005 01:42 PM
Bethya
Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:44 pm
#93
*sigh*
I am sorry that this very important thread has been suddenly hijacked by an apparently new member of the community. He has a bad name and apparently it's only getting worse... I mean, how you can interact and have useful conversation with someone who thinks that it's about "winning" to paraphrase their most recent post.
I am not going to get into a flame war so this is my first and last post addressed to said person. If he responds with something grief-ridden, he'll get no further response from me. He asked for proof of the whole not developing camo against players because of the 3rd party packet sniffer problems. Here are just a few of the threads that talk about this issue. Of course, said person could have looked up "camo" or "stealth" or even "packet sniffers" in the search and done all this for himself but I guess that was too difficult.
and plenty more besides.
Message Edited by Bethya on 02-22-2005 01:04 AM
Caramina
Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:59 pm
#94
Thankyou Bethya
I was wrong about the Devs discussing it, sorry. Knew i wasn't going completely mad though
Bethya
Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:02 pm
#95
Yep and I'll own up to my mistake here in that as Calc says, there seems no "official" statement on the matter from the devs. I apologise for making my original statement seem more than it was.
HOWEVER we do have a lot of discussion and feedback from people, some of whom were here from the very beginning and others who were involved in testing and know more than most. I trust their wordin the forums, as I try to take all my fellow players atface value,unlike some other people around here.
Ihaveabadname2
Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:16 pm
#96
Your posts only gave opinions on the matter, you are obselete in the evidence. And for the new player comment, if you want go on about this. I have played this game since launch, and yes I have sold my first account. Because of the simple fact, camouflage did not work for human players.I didn't want to unlearn my character and I was on the same server with some RL friends.
I'm more experienced than you'll ever be, how about you stop making "observations" about pointless stuff you have noevidence of the Developers ever stating "this was NEVER going to implemented."
Ok, "kiddie" don't say something isn't going to be implemented because of a 3rd party program which wasn't ever stated by a correspondent or developer.
Must I repeat again and become your teacher?
Thanks!
I want to strongly state this is in the nicest form, Ranger doesn't compete against Npcs,ANIMALS, and PvP alone. Which is why this Revamp proposal is here. And for me tospeak for many people that we want camouflague to actually be used in PvP, doesn't give any right to plop your meaningless post about it never being implemented. And you still don't have evidence or will ever have evidence of it not being ever implemented. WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED? You give me a reason to believe you don't like the fact that Igave this as aproposal.
Most PvPers probably do not goto this thread, because Ranger you can't PvP with, therefore not many people go for it. And for the simple reason I'm stuck with a community that wants to only improve their PvE and not even touch PvP. To be honest, I don't see many posts on here on wanting improving the PvP part of the Ranger, and by all means PvP is end game for many Mmorpgs.
To my understanding, in some ways wouldn't it be better if Camoflague was just called mask scent for the sake of sanity.
All I'm saying, with a combat profession I do enjoy my Ranger in PvE. But....Rangers could play so many roles in the GCW. I really want to go Ranger, but I can't. Because, I like to PvP.. that's not right.
I'm just going to drop the who camouflague should stealth or hide the person from vision, cause like all the others. They eventually die out because, it's just a pain in the ass to do it.
Message Edited by Ihaveabadname2 on 02-21-2005 04:18 PM
Caramina
Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:20 pm
#97
PVE = good because you cant harvest meat hide bone egg milk fish or anything else i can think of... off a player
Bethya
Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:52 pm
#98
I'm going to bite my tongue and simply state for the record that I have nothing against the idea of camo working against players. In amongst the vitriol, I can detect a genuine desire in various postings to improve PvP and I can relate to that. If thatis what floats your boat then fine... I hope you get changes that you consider to be improvements. Personally it wouldn't bother me if they did this removing from radar thing or if they didn't do it... I honestly couldn't care less.
What I do care about is
a. people who make posts that begin - "I haven't read all the suggestions in the forum but if I could re-do Ranger, this is what I'd do". I think itshows a basic lack of courtesy for your fellow player and the ideas that (in some cases) people have put a great deal of time and effort into.
b. people who can't be bothered to read FAQs and the posts deemed worthy of stickies, which rehearse a good deal of the basic ideas put forward and, in some cases, the reasons why those ideas can or can't be done. After all, surely it would be better to formulate a revamp that the devs can implement rather than have a wishlist that just gets more or less rejected because it can't be done?
My original post has obviously raised such ire amongst those who obviously know far more than I could ever possibly aspire to ascertainin my puny little "kiddie" experience!! I posted simply because I had seenfour orfive posts on the idea recently and I was simply hoping to inform the players who fell into either category a or b that this particular ideawasn't likely to happen. I did soin the (apparently) vain hope that it would end discussion on that particular topic and allow us to focus on more implementable ideas for the long-awaited and (let's hope) much to be enjoyed revamp.
Goodness me did I ever get that wrong!
Ihaveabadname2
Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:00 pm
#99
This is pointless, end your rant now. You were wrong, people make mistakes and that's okay. I understand.
Bethya wrote:
I'm going to bite my tongue and simply state for the record that I have nothing against the idea of camo working against players. In amongst the vitriol, I can detect a genuine desire in various postings to improve PvP and I can relate to that. If thatis what floats your boat then fine... I hope you get changes that you consider to be improvements. Personally it wouldn't bother me if they did this removing from radar thing or if they didn't do it... I honestly couldn't care less.
What I do care about is
a. people who make posts that begin - "I haven't read all the suggestions in the forum but if I could re-do Ranger, this is what I'd do". I think itshows a basic lack of courtesy for your fellow player and the ideas that (in some cases) people have put a great deal of time and effort into.
b. people who can't be bothered to read FAQs and the posts deemed worthy of stickies, which rehearse a good deal of the basic ideas put forward and, in some cases, the reasons why those ideas can or can't be done. After all, surely it would be better to formulate a revamp that the devs can implement rather than have a wishlist that just gets more or less rejected because it can't be done?
My original post has obviously raised such ire amongst those who obviously know far more than I could ever possibly aspire to ascertainin my puny little "kiddie" experience!! I posted simply because I had seenfour orfive posts on the idea recently and I was simply hoping to inform the players who fell into either category a or b that this particular ideawasn't likely to happen. I did soin the (apparently) vain hope that it would end discussion on that particular topic and allow us to focus on more implementable ideas for the long-awaited and (let's hope) much to be enjoyed revamp.
Goodness me did I ever get that wrong!
Hakai
Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:36 pm
#100
Ihaveabadname2 wrote:
This is pointless, end your rant now. You were wrong, people make mistakes and that's okay. I understand.
Bethya wrote:
I'm going to bite my tongue and simply state for the record that I have nothing against the idea of camo working against players. In amongst the vitriol, I can detect a genuine desire in various postings to improve PvP and I can relate to that. If thatis what floats your boat then fine... I hope you get changes that you consider to be improvements. Personally it wouldn't bother me if they did this removing from radar thing or if they didn't do it... I honestly couldn't care less.
What I do care about is
a. people who make posts that begin - "I haven't read all the suggestions in the forum but if I could re-do Ranger, this is what I'd do". I think itshows a basic lack of courtesy for your fellow player and the ideas that (in some cases) people have put a great deal of time and effort into.
b. people who can't be bothered to read FAQs and the posts deemed worthy of stickies, which rehearse a good deal of the basic ideas put forward and, in some cases, the reasons why those ideas can or can't be done. After all, surely it would be better to formulate a revamp that the devs can implement rather than have a wishlist that just gets more or less rejected because it can't be done?
My original post has obviously raised such ire amongst those who obviously know far more than I could ever possibly aspire to ascertainin my puny little "kiddie" experience!! I posted simply because I had seenfour orfive posts on the idea recently and I was simply hoping to inform the players who fell into either category a or b that this particular ideawasn't likely to happen. I did soin the (apparently) vain hope that it would end discussion on that particular topic and allow us to focus on more implementable ideas for the long-awaited and (let's hope) much to be enjoyed revamp.
Goodness me did I ever get that wrong!
Ihaveabadname2
Please cease your postings about trying to prove someone wrong. it's no longer part of the subject matter, and you're not proving anything further.
Felisconcolori
Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:36 pm
#101
Caramina wrote:
PVE = good because you cant harvest meat hide bone egg milk fish or anything else i can think of... off a player
Actually, I think at some point there may have been the idea of "looting" off of dead corpses... but I don't know if that ever was implemented (I wasn't in the beta, and by the time I was playing death was a quick way to get to the nearest city). Judging from the "official" strategy guide that came in my nice $70 box set, it may have been (at some point) the intent to allow you to risk your stuff. (Imagine waiting for a friendly doc coming to rez you while people are taking that 2mil blaster out of your stiff, dead fingers... )
Now, as a BE, I very much believe harvesting is a *good thing*. As a ranger, I'm more interested in the creature knowledge (so I can be sure I can sample or tame it, or if I really want to sample it). And fish... dear god, as a ranger I can actually fish and do it so I can make a run of 5-10 pet stims. Very handy.
As far as camoflage... wow, what a read. Such amazing opinions on all sides, and at least one "come on, can't we all get along" post with no original stuff. But that will be my only comment on it, besides Camo can be good, but if they use it, maybe they should go with a nice visual for it too. Likea blazing orange flame surrounding the character that's visible for everyone. (Oh, wait, and I want to say this: Anyone using a packet sniffer can be dealt with serverside by controlling what is in the packets. If I can't see you, just don't send that information to my client until the server decides I've been shot... kindof like the old loading problems, where I'd get off my speeder and suddenly be in the middle of some mightily camo'ed rancors. But I mean... if you're using a packet sniffer, you're too far gone. Get out in the sunlight before you go albino. It's a GAME... granted, a game you pay for, but then so is the local softball league.)
Darn, I said more than I wanted, because I don't want to fan flames. But I do think the problems with camoflage are more on a resource management side. Right now, the majority of the effort is on the CURB. Arguing about what's said where and by who doesn't really impact things; both opinions are out there and whether or not the programmers do anything about it will be largely dependant on where the master plan takes them next.
Caramina
Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:54 am
#102
I have seen this discussed by the Devs - they have said that.
Nnekk
Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:51 am
#103
I am Master Riffle/Master Ranger. I am most disapointed by the skills/attributes associated with Master Ranger (Master Riffle works pretty well comparably). I would like to see the Ranger proffesion compliment the other professions, whatever they may be. Let's give bonues to someone who is a Swordsman as well as someone who is using a Pike or even our unarmed friends!
There seems to be real weakness, in my eyes, with this proffesion. I've read through the forums a few times now, including this thread. I like many of the idea's put forward so far in this thread; I just hope that some of them come to fruition.
There seems to be real weakness, in my eyes, with this proffesion. I've read through the forums a few times now, including this thread. I like many of the idea's put forward so far in this thread; I just hope that some of them come to fruition.
SickSix
Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:15 pm
#104
well, I would just like to basically re-post my wants for the profession:
- Useful Camps
- Trap Expiermentation!!!!!! (only two Adhesive Mesh traps??? gimme a break...)
- Better Camo ability. ( camo vs. npcs, and players, ie. hide color of radar dot signature)
- Defense mods of some sort. (melee, since that's primary attack of creatures, but could be mix of melee/ranged)
- Offensive mods of some sort. (i personally believe Ranger should be tied to Rifleman, but since that is highly unlikely, then general ranged mods would work.)
- Draw a BIG FAT LINE between Ranger and Scout. Perhaps even have Ranger require another Novice box. Marksman anyone?
This biggest issue is to get the DEVS to admit that Ranger (even scout really) Are Combat professions because the Professions REQUIRE the player engage in combat in order to level. Name me one other "support" profession that has to do this???