Ranger Archive

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Jolandir wrote:

Currently unless you have a combat profession that is certified to the same armor as soon as you switch to say rifles your battle armor is no longer viable to you. But, you aren't certified for the other armor as a Ranger. This is a major difficulty. Now no one is absolutely sure yet this is true, but from the response to armorsmiths and so forth it seems to be accurate at this point in the CU.

So if you want to be a Ranger and take advantage of the armor that Rangers are certified for you must be one of the combat professions listed that is certified for the same armor, and then your weapons will be usable with the armor you are certified with.

Jolandir

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They started testing armor already? I am always the last to know. Oh? They didn't?

Message Edited by Calculus_Entropy on 04-05-2005 01:42 PM

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Jolandir wrote:

Currently unless you have a combat profession that is certified to the same armor as soon as you switch to say rifles your battle armor is no longer viable to you. But, you aren't certified for the other armor as a Ranger. This is a major difficulty. Now no one is absolutely sure yet this is true, but from the response to armorsmiths and so forth it seems to be accurate at this point in the CU.

So if you want to be a Ranger and take advantage of the armor that Rangers are certified for you must be one of the combat professions listed that is certified for the same armor, and then your weapons will be usable with the armor you are certified with.

Jolandir

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if that was true, (the yellow part) i, i just don't know how i'd react.

however, i believe, what Blix said about armor has been misinterpretted. I He said, that the TK/commando when wearing armor(for commando) went unarmed and started using TK moves, the the Armors' defenses would negate the TK defenses. Blix never said that the armor, would unequip, or would instantly encur full encumberance on the user.

I think everyone got muddled up in his, less the brilliant example. Armor defence is going to be like dodge, counterattack, and block are now. sorta. You dont get dodge when holding a rifle? but you'll get block. You wont get TK defenses when wearing armor, you'll get the Armor defenses. if you unequip the armor you'll get your TK defenses back.

that make any sense? i tried.........

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SickSix wrote:

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Jolandir wrote:

Currently unless you have a combat profession that is certified to the same armor as soon as you switch to say rifles your battle armor is no longer viable to you. But, you aren't certified for the other armor as a Ranger. This is a major difficulty. Now no one is absolutely sure yet this is true, but from the response to armorsmiths and so forth it seems to be accurate at this point in the CU.

So if you want to be a Ranger and take advantage of the armor that Rangers are certified for you must be one of the combat professions listed that is certified for the same armor, and then your weapons will be usable with the armor you are certified with.

Jolandir

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if that was true, (the yellow part) i, i just don't know how i'd react.

however, i believe, what Blix said about armor has been misinterpretted. I He said, that the TK/commando when wearing armor(for commando) went unarmed and started using TK moves, the the Armors' defenses would negate the TK defenses. Blix never said that the armor, would unequip, or would instantly encur full encumberance on the user.

I think everyone got muddled up in his, less the brilliant example. Armor defence is going to be like dodge, counterattack, and block are now. sorta. You dont get dodge when holding a rifle? but you'll get block. You wont get TK defenses when wearing armor, you'll get the Armor defenses. if you unequip the armor you'll get your TK defenses back.

that make any sense? i tried.........

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QFFE (ooooohhh..that's only my second QFFE ever!)

I would think that once you're certed for armor from a profession you can wear that armor without penalties regardless of weapon equipped. This is the only way I can see this working. Ranger, doctor and combat medic all have armor certs, but none of these professions have a way to 'switch to ranger', or 'switch to doctor'. If you mean unequiping your weapon this has generally meant that you've 'switched to TK'. As there's no way to 'switch to ranger' the certs must work regardless of weapon. In addition, they're unlocking specials from the profession you learn them in, so don't see why they'd then lock armor into the profression you get them.

The only profession that has to be carefull of armor is TKs where they have some form of built-in defense skill (possibly now visible on the skill tree with the recent patch, if I read the notes right) that is cancelled out by putting armor on.

Also, I know 'recon' and 'scout' armor *sounds* good for ranger by the name (but is actually worse because it's weaker to kinetic damage), and that 'assualt' armor seems good because it favours kinetic, but I think us getting the general purpose battle armour is a much better choice (same with doc/CM). The armor doesn't force us into a role that a kinetic armor would do (ie, generally creature centric and/or melee ranged). The battle armor will give us all round, average, protection from kinetic (critters) and energy (NPCs,PCs) and allows a free choice in a weapon-based combat profression which will then give us our melee/ranged role. Hope that makes sense.

Of course, as the wise (but of late somewhat tetchy ) Calc has said, we just *don't know* at this point. All of the above is just speculation and (debatable) educated guess of what's to come.

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-06-2005 08:39 AM

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-06-2005 05:15 PM

Oops! I was actually thinking RIS when I read Mando. Thanks!

I like RIS because it seems like a hunting armor - considering all the things you have to hunt to get it. It is like a walking trophy.

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Owen-Lars wrote:

Yeah i didnt realy think of it that way until you mentioned it. I remember hunting for my set of mando and having a realy great time doing it, cant wait til i can acually wear the stuff.

I do think quest stuff should be repairable 100% though but with a big price on it.

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I am so confused! Mando or RIS???

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GothKasbun wrote:

so if i understand this right if i stay ranger(and im staying ranger to the end) i can only wear the stuff in the battle armor group.which sucks becouse the stuff in the asault group is the good stuff.i cant wear comp. any more.

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This still seems to be the biggest misconception out there about the new armor system. There's a lot we don't know about how the new armor system will work, but you can safely stop saying composite is better than ubese is better than bone.

In fact you need to start thinking in terms of cores. The stats of the armor will lie in the core. The recon core is better at protecting against energy. The assault core is better at protecting against kinetic. The battle core has no special strength or weakness. Putting a kinetic layer in recon core and an equivalent energy layer in an assault core would likely make them the same. DISCLAIMER: That is speculation. No one has crafted any armor nor do we even know what the new armor stats mean.

The names of the old armor are just skins, like clothing. No stats that we know of. Bone will be the same as padded if you put the same core in it. Pick the one you like best and wear it.

Now why in the world rangers wouldn't be better off in assault armor, I don't know.

Love to the rangers.

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Message Edited by Eszra on 04-06-2005 10:00 AM