Ranger Archive
Thread: Have you seen the organics survey device on TC2?
Almagill
Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:20 pm
#66
Almagill wrote:
DND_Cas wrote:If this tool goes live it should require a cert of some kind, just like I believe harvestors should require a cert
It shouldn't go live at all.
If people don't think that with this tool Rangers won't becoming the next FOTM afk alt profession they're deluding themselves.
And now back to your regulary sheduled upbeat rangers posting
I'm guessing that if it does need a cert it's likely to be a low level Scout skill. Scout being to Ranger what Artisan is to WS/AS/Arch etc. Also, this is tacked on as a reward to a FS quest, so (fingers crossed) it should stay fairly rare-ish... for a week or three...
That having been said, knowing what materials are in an area is one thing, getting them harvested is another.
Doc: "That Tat avian is looking particularly sweet just now Ranger, go get me 100k..."
Ranger: "I got two words for you doc..."
*** There was another page of posts lurking... ***
IF it's tradable, and if it can be used without ANY Scout / Ranger skills, or if we don't get a HUGE increase in range / accuracy over the artisan users, than I'm going to go on the rampage.
The quests Bera got this for are hardly taxing. So I'm revising my previous laisse faire position for one more along the lines of NO! It's got to be certificated and restricted to 'our' tree. After all, you can pick up weapons and schematics as parts of quests that you yourself cannot use (Gamorrean axe, tailors schematics, FWG schematic... and that's just from Jabba, lol).
VeriBeri
Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:23 pm
#67
Iseult wrote:
VeriBeri wrote:
Vorpaks wrote:
Do you still have the device Beri, or did it get re-rolled? Maybe you can meet Calc in-game and let him take a look (if you both can get on at the same time).
I haven't been to the TC2 since Sunday (when I took the screenshots). I assume that the toon was wiped on Monday as they were threatening to do. I will try to check tonight to see if he is still available. If so, I can try to contact calc to give it to him in person or maybe I can put it on the baazar in some out-of-way place so that he can buy it later.I Veri - could you also tell us if the device is tradable? If so, this might be worse that it would normally be, as I predict that the tool will soon make its way into the hands of the most wealthy of crafters who, of course, will not hesitate to use it to further consolidate their hold on the market.
Thanks again-
Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Rifleperson
Bloodfin
I am sorry, I didn't try to trade it & the toon is now wiped. However, we can expect it to be similar to other fs quest rewards in this regard, so someone else could also answer that question.
Owen-Lars
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:36 pm
#68
Ok ive just done the quest. I recieved the inorganic survey device and unlocked the 'Luck' skill branch in senses. I supose either loot is random or their is a fixed loot item for each phase. I believe this was phase 4
So far ive found:
Has the properties of Chemical, Water, Gas, Mineral survey tools
Surveys to same distance as existing tools
Has no survey animation
Has no sample animation
I sampled on a 70% spot and got:
9
10
10
11
7
units every30 seconds.
Tested with another normal survey devise and got same results.
Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 08-20-2004 12:49 AM
Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 08-20-2004 12:52 AM
Vorpaks
Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:53 pm
#69
What level were your survey skills? Did you have artisan or were you Ranger?
Owen-Lars
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:16 pm
#71
If the organics device is anything like the inorganic one i got its safe to say i and im sure many others will be doing everything they can to get it removed before it goes live.
I mean imagine if a great super wooly hide popped on talus. A ranger would need to hunt down paralopes for 6-8 units a time. Paralopes are often found in the mountains but spawns on flat ground are no very common. Sure rangers could average probly get 9 paralope from a lair which means 72 units a lair, plus travel time to next lair and turn around times you are talking about 4-5 minutes a mission run (from looking for missions in right direction to driving out, taking lairs andheading back) meaning about 30 units a minute for both lairs. Why should a person with no scout or rangers skills at all be able to sit around and harvest that amount (from a good spot)?
Its rediculous to me that someone will be able to get organics without hunting. We risk our butts to hunt, we put the effort in and we keep our motivation up, i see no reason why someone should be able to do what we do (in a lesser form) without putting in the effort and risk we have to do.
On adventure planet good spawns this isnt going to hurt us too much inless the cpu is very high but on low level planets we will have people harvesting decent amounts for 'free' 
Eklectrick
Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:42 pm
#72
Just hypothosising here, but is it possible that this tool is just a substitute loot that they give to test the quests out? I mean could it be something they threw in there and left it on god mode since it is TC2 and it doesn't matter anyway? Perhaps the real loot when it goes live will be something else entirely that they are trying to keep a secret so that some parts of the quest will be a suprise to those not on TC2?
frightwig
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:15 pm
#73
I see some people concern for using it to harvest AFK. But, if this device is anything like the current survey tools, how could AFK sampling be done? The tools randomly pause your sampling attempts with pop-up menus that ask for a selection to be made (focus device on nearest concentration, or attempt to recover a high concentration sample). So, you can't do this while asleep.. You can sit on the couch and eat dinner, but you'd have to look at what's going on in the game and get up to click the mouse if that menu pops up.
I have an alt account who is a master artisan/architect, but if he were to get one of these survey tools, I'd still rather go with my ranger for killing and harvesting organics.
Still, getting creature resources from thin air doesn't make any sense at all. But, if non-scouts/rangers will now be able to harvest creature resources, I don't think there's ever been a better reason for Rangers to finally be given a bonus to creature harvesting
I have an alt account who is a master artisan/architect, but if he were to get one of these survey tools, I'd still rather go with my ranger for killing and harvesting organics.
Still, getting creature resources from thin air doesn't make any sense at all. But, if non-scouts/rangers will now be able to harvest creature resources, I don't think there's ever been a better reason for Rangers to finally be given a bonus to creature harvesting
Calculus_Entropy
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:40 pm
#74
There are ways around the pop-up...One can sample continuously while afk with the correct tool. BTW, this is done without recursive macros.
Message Edited by Calculus_Entropy on 08-20-2004 08:27 AM
Aileili
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:47 pm
#75
Everytime you begin a new sample "session" the previous pop-ups cease to block your sampling.
/stand;
/pause 4;
/sample;
/pause 240;
/sit;
/pause 60;
/ui action toolbarSlot##
That way you're not stuck in ablocked sampling mode for very long if you do get a pop-up, which is not as often as people make it out to be.
Thats what I used to afk sample and it worked just fine. Sure, you'll have dozens of pop-ups on your screen when you wake up, but feh...
TryalNError
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:54 pm
#76
On adventure planet good spawns this isnt going to hurt us too much inless the cpu is very high but on low level planets we will have people harvesting decent amounts for 'free'
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I too have stayed quiet until now. But I'm getting angrier and angrier as I continue to read these posts. Thortac brought up one major issue that I have. I don't know off hand what the hardest meat is to harvest. Maybe Corellian domesticated meat or something similar. Critters where you have to track them, critters you can't find missions for on terminals. Critters where even a Master Ranger only gets 10 untis a kill. This makes me furious to think of a novice artisan getting more from a sample tool than a master ranger can get through tracking, hunting, skinning and collecting the meat. Absolutely infuriating. What is stopping me, a Master Ranger, from dropping ranger and scout and just sit at my desk reading a book while my character samples these meats, hides, bones, fish, and who knows what all else. I hope this does NOT go live, and if it does, I will honestly for the first time since I got master in April, consider dropping ranger and scout. This is totally making me angry and sad to see out prof neglected and being stepped on even further. Up until now, I've not complained ONE bit about the dev's neglect on the ranger prof, but I am seriously pissed off at them now.
One question and request I have from those of you who do have this tool. Can you please send in what meat, bone or hide you are sampling, from what planet, and what critter drops it? I don't remember who it was that posted earlier with the statistics of 9, 10, 11, 10, 10 etc. and it took a sample every 30 seconds. If this was a rare meat such as Corellian domesticated, then this is just a huge travesty for our profession.
I sincerly hope this does not go live, but if it does, the ranger profession will be a total joke. And it rips my heart out to say that. I love being a ranger. I've stuck with this profession the longest out of all the others I've done. I honestly don't know what I'll do if this goes live.
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I too have stayed quiet until now. But I'm getting angrier and angrier as I continue to read these posts. Thortac brought up one major issue that I have. I don't know off hand what the hardest meat is to harvest. Maybe Corellian domesticated meat or something similar. Critters where you have to track them, critters you can't find missions for on terminals. Critters where even a Master Ranger only gets 10 untis a kill. This makes me furious to think of a novice artisan getting more from a sample tool than a master ranger can get through tracking, hunting, skinning and collecting the meat. Absolutely infuriating. What is stopping me, a Master Ranger, from dropping ranger and scout and just sit at my desk reading a book while my character samples these meats, hides, bones, fish, and who knows what all else. I hope this does NOT go live, and if it does, I will honestly for the first time since I got master in April, consider dropping ranger and scout. This is totally making me angry and sad to see out prof neglected and being stepped on even further. Up until now, I've not complained ONE bit about the dev's neglect on the ranger prof, but I am seriously pissed off at them now.
One question and request I have from those of you who do have this tool. Can you please send in what meat, bone or hide you are sampling, from what planet, and what critter drops it? I don't remember who it was that posted earlier with the statistics of 9, 10, 11, 10, 10 etc. and it took a sample every 30 seconds. If this was a rare meat such as Corellian domesticated, then this is just a huge travesty for our profession.
I sincerly hope this does not go live, but if it does, the ranger profession will be a total joke. And it rips my heart out to say that. I love being a ranger. I've stuck with this profession the longest out of all the others I've done. I honestly don't know what I'll do if this goes live.
Iseult
Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:39 am
#77
VeriBeri wrote:
Vorpaks wrote:
Do you still have the device Beri, or did it get re-rolled? Maybe you can meet Calc in-game and let him take a look (if you both can get on at the same time).
I haven't been to the TC2 since Sunday (when I took the screenshots). I assume that the toon was wiped on Monday as they were threatening to do. I will try to check tonight to see if he is still available. If so, I can try to contact calc to give it to him in person or maybe I can put it on the baazar in some out-of-way place so that he can buy it later.
I Veri - could you also tell us if the device is tradable? If so, this might be worse that it would normally be, asI predict that the tool will soon make its way into the hands of the most wealthy of crafters who, of course,will not hesitate to use it to further consolidate their hold on the market.
Thanks again-
Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Rifleperson
Bloodfin
Almagill
Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:15 am
#78
Alright you scruffy shower of vagabonds and Paks...
I rolled a complete novice toon yesterday, ran him thru the accelerated process, as a rifleman/ranger to get to Dath, tried taking the survey mission and got told to, uhm, go away. Scooted back to the outpost, took Survey IV, back to the village, toon gave me the survey mission.
My first profession when I got going in the game was Master Artisan. The surveying quest that is given here is a joke. It is marginally more challenging than the newbie artifarty one given by the relentless green droid (Where, by the way, are they in this? THere ought ot be green dustbins splattered all over the panet by now...)
From a CONTENT PoV that blows chunks. (I will be cc'ing this or a slightly edited version of this to the appropriate place, btw, so don't panic. Am not going all postal and flooding the Ranger forum with FS whingi.... oh, yeah, I am... sorry. Look, bear with me)
I got the non-bio survey tool. Which, as my other skills on the toon were high end ranger, shows it's just a random loot OR somebody has got a sick sense of humour. "Hey, lets give the commando-kiddies a biosensor and wind up the creature harvesters.... They'll have to SWAP TOOLS, that's interaction..."
Gave the non-bio a blast. It works. If the organic verson works as well, then the dev's have ****ed up mightily.
I demand a simple 'play eight flourishes' mission that gives me a device which reduces BF by a small amount wherever I use it.
A simple 'kill eight npc' mission that gives me a device that loots 1 in a hundred NPC's in a 500m radius.
yeah yeah, ok, am preaching to the choir too (hadn't heard that phrase since my old granny died) so will get off this particualr hobby horse and seethe gently in the corner.
I rolled a complete novice toon yesterday, ran him thru the accelerated process, as a rifleman/ranger to get to Dath, tried taking the survey mission and got told to, uhm, go away. Scooted back to the outpost, took Survey IV, back to the village, toon gave me the survey mission.
My first profession when I got going in the game was Master Artisan. The surveying quest that is given here is a joke. It is marginally more challenging than the newbie artifarty one given by the relentless green droid (Where, by the way, are they in this? THere ought ot be green dustbins splattered all over the panet by now...)
From a CONTENT PoV that blows chunks. (I will be cc'ing this or a slightly edited version of this to the appropriate place, btw, so don't panic. Am not going all postal and flooding the Ranger forum with FS whingi.... oh, yeah, I am... sorry. Look, bear with me)
I got the non-bio survey tool. Which, as my other skills on the toon were high end ranger, shows it's just a random loot OR somebody has got a sick sense of humour. "Hey, lets give the commando-kiddies a biosensor and wind up the creature harvesters.... They'll have to SWAP TOOLS, that's interaction..."
Gave the non-bio a blast. It works. If the organic verson works as well, then the dev's have ****ed up mightily.
I demand a simple 'play eight flourishes' mission that gives me a device which reduces BF by a small amount wherever I use it.
A simple 'kill eight npc' mission that gives me a device that loots 1 in a hundred NPC's in a 500m radius.
yeah yeah, ok, am preaching to the choir too (hadn't heard that phrase since my old granny died) so will get off this particualr hobby horse and seethe gently in the corner.