Ranger Archive
Thread: Revised harvesting changes..
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:33 am
#66
If they are out of range then thats their fault. Its as simple as that. If you want a bonus from the ranger, you need to be on the ball and take note of what the ranger is doing.
The bonus is applied by rangers to simulate us helping them harvest, thus increasing their yeild. They look at what we are doing or feel more confident because we are close by so harvest more. If they are not paying attention to the ranger then they will not be recieving help from us so shouldnt get bonuses.
DaveG
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:37 am
#67
Owen-Lars wrote:
If they are out of range then thats their fault. Its as simple as that. If you want a bonus from the ranger, you need to be on the ball and take note of what the ranger is doing.
The bonus is applied by rangers to simulate us helping them harvest, thus increasing their yeild. They look at what we are doing or feel more confident because we are close by so harvest more. If they are not paying attention to the ranger then they will not be recieving help from us so shouldnt get bonuses.
Hi Owen,
If you're replying to my post, i was saying it's be a problem for the ranger, if the ranger was out of range, and everyone else harvests before he/she gets a chance to. (Yeah it's sloppy coordination, but let's face it, it's gonna happen).
AragornSoS
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:39 am
#68
Owen, this may be a silly question, but how exactly does the 30% / 40% bonus work for US? If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)? Or is the "be within 64m of someone" requirement going to be there even for us, so we still have to be within 64m of SOMEONE else in the group to get the 40% bonus (even tho we're the one who convey that extra 20% of bonus to the group)??? I'm not trying to promote "Ranger Solo Groups" or anything where we all group then go our merry way, but I'm curious how the bonus will be applied to the Ranger, who is always within 64m of him or her self.
Guess that, along with checking for the bonus grouping w/a droid or a pet, will be part of testing on TC-Gorath, eh....?
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:43 am
#69
Hey Dave,
Hmm could be. Although because the ranger will always get the 40% increase no matter who is around him and how far away it should be up to others to stick around the ranger (in hunting guide role) if they want to harvest more.
Yeah i think it will happen that some will be out of range and wont get the bonuses but hopefully that highlights a requirement for actively thinking about what you are doing and the members of your team. As rangers we have just been given our first hunting guide skill. Although it doesnt fulfil much potential at all, it does lay down the foundations for a tree in the revamped ranger which has my brain all hyped up.
I think there should be possibilities that things go wrong, some people dont get the bonus because they didnt stick by the hunting guide and i find it refreshing that those non rangers looking for the big bonuses will have to stick around the ranger in order to get them instead of doing their own thing. Hopefully if we can get a hunting guide tier in our revamp then this type of group and hunting interaction can be fleshed out to the point where group members want to stay close to a ranger for protection and enhancements against hitting creatures etc.
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:46 am
#70
AragornSoS Wrote:
"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"
Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:54 am
#71
"Okay, everyone got their share?? Don't want to move on to the next kill till y'all get a piece..."
Actually i dream of the day when group members expect me to say this type of thing and actually invite me to do this. Not this specific comment but things along the lines i am invited to guide the hunting party, enhance them, protect them, provide for them and hunt with them. Sort of like a hunt SL. SLs should be all about tactics, combat, war and stuff like that.
A tier in ranger should be about a hunting guide imo. That could be a great role in groups and also playable solo. You would not be 'guiding' but you would be getting the benefits.
The sort ofcomments i dream that one day i will be yelling will be:
"ok focus fire on the 3rd scale down on my mark"
"Ive cracked the armour, focus your fire here for increased damage"
"Everyone on the mark (/point to hunting mark placed on creature)"
Tiggs
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:04 pm
#72
Owen-Lars wrote:
AragornSoS Wrote:
"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"
Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).
My apologies here but this is incorrect.
What happens is the bonus does a check and makes sure that someone around you is within 64m and if that someone is a ranger/master ranger it will select the highest bonus to apply as long as they are grouped with you. Sorry if the version notes were not clear.
It's a non-stackable bonus (example 3 master rangers in the group you get a one time bonus applied).
I hope this clears up the confusion.
JangoFett100
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:05 pm
#73
Owen-Lars wrote:
AragornSoS Wrote:
"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"
Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).
Are you sure about this? By what your saying as long as the ranger is grouped, no one else needs to be nearby, or even on the same planet to pull the 40% bonus. This would thereby still allow the rangers who like to hunt solo to continue to do so. They just need to find a group 1st. This would certainly increase the popularity of novice ranger.
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:06 pm
#74
DaveG wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
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Every hunt I have been on, the harvesters are always within 64m of each other, so I can't imagine this causeing problems.
Here's one for you:
Ranger/Rifleman, with short to medium range fighters. All those close in harvest before ranger gets a chance to, and the corpse thus decays before ranger can get in to harvesting range (if not using a droid).
Agrees totally... Doing the same. Close combatants have autoloot/autoharvest macros running all the time.
Would be nice if the range was decreased 
Only bonus when ranger was in 32m of corpse to harvest
Then people would have to wait before they can get the bonus and the ranger has his/her chance of getting it too.
JangoFett100
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:07 pm
#75
My post would have made a lot more sense if i had just hit submit a minute earlier.
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:11 pm
#76
Tiggs wrote:
Owen-Lars wrote:
AragornSoS Wrote:
"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"
Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).
My apologies here but this is incorrect.
What happens is the bonus does a check and makes sure that someone around you is within 64m and if that someone is a ranger/master ranger it will select the highest bonus to apply as long as they are grouped with you. Sorry if the version notes were not clear.
It's a non-stackable bonus (example 3 master rangers in the group you get a one time bonus applied).
I hope this clears up the confusion.
So correct me if I'm wrong...
But if I as MRanger would like to get the 40% bonus ANOTHER MRanger should be in 64m from me!!!!!
IMHO, that still sucks.
As DaveG set... ordered some shoes but got boots in wrong color, wrong size and two left-feet versions as well.
Conclusion: Or rather question: what is the reason for me as a MRanger to join a group when there is no benefit in comparison to solo-hunt? If I joina group, it benefits the group, but for me it's a hindrance (see comments about melee/autoloot/autoharvest). No CREDIT is worth that for me...
Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 02-18-2005 08:15 PM
Meplorium
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:14 pm
#77
The question is, and it wasn't at least clear to me, does the ranger, if near others in his group, get the bonus from himself for himself? What if there is another ranger in the group of the same skill. Do the rangers then get the bonus from each other?
Tiggs wrote:
Owen-Lars wrote:
AragornSoS Wrote:
"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"
Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).
My apologies here but this is incorrect.
What happens is the bonus does a check and makes sure that someone around you is within 64m and if that someone is a ranger/master ranger it will select the highest bonus to apply as long as they are grouped with you. Sorry if the version notes were not clear.
It's a non-stackable bonus (example 3 master rangers in the group you get a one time bonus applied).
I hope this clears up the confusion.
Atherin
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:16 pm
#78
Yes, it's still unclear from the explanation if the Ranger himself gets the bonus if he/she is the only ranger in the group and within 64m of other players.