Ranger Archive
Thread: I need your help and opinions
Cryos_Merovingian
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:52 pm
#66
In regards to the CU and the information that has come out (or lack thereof), will you be dropping ranger?
At the very most, I will be a Ranger 1/0/4/4 - This is if I feel the need to keep camo and feel that traps, post CU, are effective in battle and help me with my new ranged prof (Carbineer). I must stress though, this is the absolute MOST I will keep
Why are/arn't you dropping it?
The CU is doing nothing for Ranger and providing significant incentive (health, armor, etc) to replace ranger skills with combat skills. What good is a harvesting ability if I can't kill anything?
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
This is likely only until the revamp, unless I get bored with SWG and quit first.
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:05 pm
#67
1. I kind of have to, as im a master pistoleer (and im kinda worried about that too)and have more than one FS tree, therefore the combat upgrade will FORCE me to give something up as i dont have the points to be master ranger as well.
2. There is no choice in the matter. I pay to play SWG cause i want to fight in the star wars universe. If I didnt want to fight I would be a crafter and selling the credits I make on Ebay. But, Im not and on top of the fact i wont be able to master ranger plus my chosen combat profession and get my 6 FS boxes plus the lack of health for ranger means im moving to something else. On top of that I am sick and tired of hearing, month by month, year by year, the devs are going to do this or that for us, whislt in reality our skills get degraded more and more every update! As it stands now most SWG players believe ranger is a useless unenjoyable profession and i cant see it getting any better after the CU. In fact, I can think of a lot of waysyou can spendyour monthly subscription where you dont get treated like dirt and stepped all over (unless your into that sort of thing of course) for your profession choice as you are if you are a ranger in SWG (traffic warden for example). I will always be a ranger in spirit but unfortunately the game will no longer allow me to be a ranger AND progress in the game or, enjoy as much content in the game, as any other profession template allows.
3. A revamp would have to be completed and working before I would even think about taking it up again, and any revamp would have to be done with the support of the majority of the Ranger profession for me to even consider it. That means no NDA rubbish, for something WE pay for but an open and transparent process where the devs ask US what we want then implement it in a fair and balanced manner into the game. That would almost make up for the past few years!
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 06:11 PM
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 07:30 PM
ubb
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:06 pm
#68
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
I probably wont be dropping Ranger.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it?
For one, Ranger is the only prof I wanted since I heard the game was coming out. I tried to stay positive and hope we could do more pvp after the CU but doesnt look that way.But if I did drop, that would mean I left the game completely.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
Depends how disappointed I am and how long I am willing to wait for fixes.
Rooks
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:45 pm
#69
Owen-Lars wrote:
Ok i hate to say this, but i need to make a poll heh. Yes i know, i know but honestly its important. I need to show the devs exactly how much negative impact the CU is going to have on ranger and why ranger needs their revamp asap.
Its going to be part of my report that im writing atm explaining why so many of us are pissed, upset that we didnt get any attention and how concerned we are about what is geing to happen to ranger between the end of the CU up until the ranger revamp hits.
So i put it to you:
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
Never. I will quit SWGalaxies before I drop Ranger.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it?
I would quit cause if I cannot play my character the way i want to cause of Dev LACK of Creativity/time/Effort to fix a broken class they SOLD TO ME originally, then they are not worth my time to pay for
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
Revamp? Smugglers and Squad Leaders have been promised in the "In-Development" forum a Revamp for the last 12 MONTHS. Anyone who thinks a ranger Revamp is coming before Christmas is oblivious to the lack of effort on the part of the Devs here. Before it was JTL that pushed everything back for months. Then was the all vaunted "Combat Revamp" that would fix everything. Now they have ROTW coming out in May and will have several months of fixing that rushed piece of %^&% that they will shove half finished out to us. Our Revamp will be at Christmas time at best and I probably won't be here for it if that is the first time they actually fix anything for us.
Please answer truthfully about your current plans.
cheers, owen
Owen-Lars
Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:27 pm
#70
Paks Wrote:
"If the developers post a focus idea thread like GreenMarine did for the Smugglers I will likely pick it right back up. I don't even need a revamp. I just need something that shows the developerss know and understand our concerns"
Exactly. Thats what im trying to do at present. Tiggs is helping me with this so hopefully we will have something to post soon but on the other hand the devs can simply so no, we are not answering the questions or no this is not community feedback material etc. Obviously im trying to get our revamp off the ground and into the works so we can all start getting our ideas in but the focus threads are the start im looking for. IMO we still need our revamp very close to the CU going live simply because of the indirect negative impact it has on us but bringing up the focus threads would be a great step as it would give us that official word many of you have been looking for.
I also dont want to go into a revamp with the devs set on one design without running it past us all.
Paks Wrote:
"It seems like we were left out of the CU because they simply did not think of us, or were under a misconception and dismissed us as a non-com profession"
IMO and fromthe impressions ive got from discussions is that it was simply an excuse. Not an excuse toleave ranger out of theCU because they hate us, simply because the ranger revamp would take up too many resources that were already at breaking point. Personally i would of just liked to hear that, we need more work than can be designated during the cu, but i just think it was a rushed set of comments because of the questions we were asking (im not saying we were out of line, infact im proud of the preasure we put on to get answers, even if they wernt the ones we were looking for).
Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-05-2005 03:28 AM
Sebi82
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:41 am
#71
In regards to the CU and the information that has come out (or lack thereof), will you be dropping ranger?
I will have to drop some of Ranger, but I'll hang on to as much of it as i can.
Why are/arn't you dropping it?
It's the first prof that I mastered and enjoyed to level from novice to master. I also like the lifestyle, and as many have said, I'm just too stubborn to drop all of Ranger.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
Hopefully yes, but that entirely depends on the revamp. If it is no good, I'll most likely drop Ranger and try to find another playstyle.
I will have to drop some of Ranger, but I'll hang on to as much of it as i can.
Why are/arn't you dropping it?
It's the first prof that I mastered and enjoyed to level from novice to master. I also like the lifestyle, and as many have said, I'm just too stubborn to drop all of Ranger.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
Hopefully yes, but that entirely depends on the revamp. If it is no good, I'll most likely drop Ranger and try to find another playstyle.
siros_vazren
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:42 pm
#72
Will not drop ranger.
Will have to drop some of the branches to move to other "requirement" skills trees.
As soon as ranger is definately getting health bonus, I will take the dropped skills back up since pikeman won't be the health giver of my skills.
A revamp is needed. Track doesn't work well. Traps only work on critters...rarely. Camps are pretty much decoration anymore. Camo is a joke. The only thing we are useful as to others is the 'group harvest droid 2000'.
This is a problem. Only one of our skills is useful to ourselves and others. But I won't hold my breathe for a revamp. As things stand, I can see a revamp being just as likely as a profession phase out for rangers and that bothers me. I will always be a ranger in my heart, even if I have to move skill points away from it to survive in the new game.....
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darmokVtS
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:31 pm
#73
*pullsthethreadup*
after looking a bit closer at the 'result' I got from my first combat elite prof box and calcing a bit further...
If no huge surprise awaits me further up the skilltree of my current combat prof on TC-5 I'm very likely dropping ranger, I do not feel like being a "midlevel combatant" :/.
after looking a bit closer at the 'result' I got from my first combat elite prof box and calcing a bit further...
If no huge surprise awaits me further up the skilltree of my current combat prof on TC-5 I'm very likely dropping ranger, I do not feel like being a "midlevel combatant" :/.
Istare
Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:16 pm
#74
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
Yes. Reluctantly. I'm not yet certain what will replace it.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it? I've become tired of the SP hole that Master Ranger currently is, and it's not improving soon. I love the profession, it was my first elete profession, but there are just too many broken or useless "skills". I hung on for almost a year, watching combat stackers outharvest me and take out NPC's that I can't scratch.
Is it only temporary until the revamp? At the rate this game progresses, I'll be a Jedi before there's a Ranger revamp.
Istare
Almagill
Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:43 pm
#75
This replaces my original response to this thread:
In regards to the CU and the information that has come out (or lack thereof), will you be dropping ranger?
Yes. At most I will keep tracking, but even that is debatable.
Why are you dropping it?
I'm going to need to take a second combat profession to be sufficently 'leet' enough to be able to kill anything that drops enough resources to make it worth killing. I certainly don't relish a future ingame as "The Bird Man of Mospic Heights". Nuna, flits and rasps. Flits and rasps and the occaisional vynock.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
I'll give a Dev answer on that. "All options are being considered and will be addressed after the Ranger Revamp"
In regards to the CU and the information that has come out (or lack thereof), will you be dropping ranger?
Yes. At most I will keep tracking, but even that is debatable.
Why are you dropping it?
I'm going to need to take a second combat profession to be sufficently 'leet' enough to be able to kill anything that drops enough resources to make it worth killing. I certainly don't relish a future ingame as "The Bird Man of Mospic Heights". Nuna, flits and rasps. Flits and rasps and the occaisional vynock.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
I'll give a Dev answer on that. "All options are being considered and will be addressed after the Ranger Revamp"
Almightyrastus
Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:00 pm
#76
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
In regaurds to the info so far I am not happy that we will be gettitng no increases to our health or Combat Level so I will be having a serious think as to taking up another combat prfession. I am not a fan of combat as much as I am a crafter but unless I take a double combat mastery I am going to be stuck at a disadvantage against the levels of other players and also with the damage dealt to me.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it?
At the moment I am hoping that I will be able to respec my skills into rifleman so I can master that as I am hoping that Rifles will help me get ranger back again.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
The revamp............... until I get any more on a time frame for that I am seriously considering leaving Ranger, not something I want to do as I enjoy the community and the whole ethos behind it but needs must and all that.
ScorpioTiger
Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:51 am
#77
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
No, I will keep Ranger until a few weeks after the CU goes live at least.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it?
TC is all well and good, but I want to see what actually happens in Live. And it only seems fair to wait for a couple of weeks afterwards to see what tweaks are made (like the harvesting tweaksrecently). But if we are as useless as the TC reports suggest, I may well drop Ranger - or drop SWG in favour of another MMORPG instead. I like being a Ranger. I like hunting, tracking and trapping stuff. But what's the point of being a Ranger ifwe need to be buffed to take out Nunas?
And it's could be soogood after the CU with awhole new planet to hunt on.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
If we ever get a re-vamp this year, I'll be surprised. And on that basis, I'll either be playing another MMORPG, or be so far down the Jedi route that Ranger won't be an option.
Message Edited by ScorpioTiger on 04-11-2005 12:56 PM
Bethya
Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:17 am
#78
In regards tothe CU and the information that has come out(or lack thereof),will you be dropping ranger?
If the CU comes out in the form as currently shown - i.e. Ranger getting hosed on the SP front and basically unable to hunt big game as a result because of HAM problems, I won't drop Ranger, I will quit SWG with both my characters. I have no interest in playing another style. I want to be a Ranger. If that is untenable, I will stop playing completely. My second character is a Merchant running a shop for Rangers. That character will also be deleted as there is no point serving a profession that has no players.
Why are/arn'tyou dropping it?
Hopefully my comments above make it clear. If the question is why quit and not try something else, well I love playing Ranger. I don't want to be a Bounty Hunter, a tin can, or a full-time GCW participant. I don't want to be a merchant selling armor, weapons or whatever else. I love the Ranger lifestyle, I love being able to forget the GCW and go huntcritters, make a living and enjoy the outback. I enjoy the culture of the Ranger community both on Farstar and on the forums. If that disappears, my interest in SWG will likely disappear with it.
Is it only temporary until the revamp?
I personally don't believe that the revamp is ever coming. What possible hope have we ever been given by SOE that it is real? It feels more mythical than the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow to me. If the profession was revamped, I'd consider returning yes. However, personally, I think it's shutting the door after the horse has bolted. If SWG devs cared about Rangers, they'd sort the CU out so that it didn't need a revamp to make the Ranger profession playable. Even with a revamp, it makes me wonder how much they value me as a player and therefore how they are likely to treat me in the future. Why come back if, three months later, we are getting hosed again by the latest piece of dev work?