Ranger Archive

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Vorpaks wrote:

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Phenix1050 wrote:

The one thingI will say is that I don't like the overall change of removing unique XPs. However, if that's the system that they're going to push on combat professions...well, I'm glad we're along for the ride. However, making sure that crafting doesn't supply scout XP is essential. We don't want a be a combat profession you can get by crafting, lol.

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Ah but if you made crafting give trap xp then you could truly level all of Ranger without combat!

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Phenix1050 wrote:

However, making sure that crafting doesn't supply scout XP is essential. We don't want a be a combat profession you can get by crafting, lol.

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I saw that concern mentioned before, but I don't think that would be very viable way to master scout or ranger. You'd have to do a lot of hunting/harvesting before you obtain a box of survival that gave anything worthwhile to gain XP to start crafting your way to master.

Scroll down to the Survival Crafting XP part of this post, under "camps". You'd have to get Survival 4 just to gain 84/88 scout xp from crafting improved camps. You can get 60-70 scout xp just from harvesting a level 1 or 2 creature.

Yes, technically it could be crafted, but it seems very impractical for anyone to do that when scout XP gains could come quicker from combat. But you're right, the fact that it's even possible is not a good thing and should probably just be taken out.

Oh, and for the record.. I do like the uniqueness of different XP types and I'd hate to see them "dumbed down" into fewer types. Trapping should definitely stay in as the only way to gain that tree. I just don't see wilderness survival XP as a huge loss. What I'd rather see, and for rangers to focus their revamp ideas on, is the improvement and abilities of camps, rather than what type of xp it uses.

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Phenix1050 wrote:

yup I agree frightwig, the liklihood of crafting through Ranger is slim to none...however, if the possibility exists, people will use that as an excuse not to give us stuff. I remember a dev basically telling me that the reason Rangers weren't a combat class is because it was possible to master without ever killing something. nevermind that just using camo and harvesting other peoples' kills would take a while and would be unfun. But because the feat was theoretically possible, it was used as justification for a poor choice. I don't want to see that happen again.

Again, i wish unique XP types were staying in the game. But I guess at the end of the day, i'd rather have Rangers be like all the other combat professions (whom we are rapidly starting to look like) than be held back because of our holding on to an XP type.

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Ack! Call me Kimi.. don't remind me of the bad choice I made when registering on the forums.

But yeah, that's a really good point. Crafting wouldn't be an efficient way of mastering scout/ranger, but the fact that it's possible isn't a good thing when we try to define our profession as a combat/combat support class and ask for improvements in that sense.

I dont quite like the change. I say let it be til we get our revamp. Then we get that Wilderness xp returned with the modular theme included.

Okay, I've got as far as the bottom of the first page and I've got to ask:

Is this change going to Live, postCU, or is this merely a mechanism to allow "fast simple" levelling on TC-Epiii?

Assuming it's intended to go Live...

NO! This is a bad move. It will come back to bite us in the rear later. Rather than scrap survival XP on the daft notion that camping is to hard/time consuming (you don't 'need' Master ranger, so it's your choice to do it. Don't whine ) lets make camping worthwhile.

Use the grind to justify asking for better camps, extend their functionality, make them something people will WANT to put up because they have a purpose.

I said it in another thread recently but, if survival XP goes, it's the dev's track record of increase the amount of XP needed to fill the box. Just to keep it 'challenging'. And if they increase it to 150k, lets say, they'll increase the other boxes to 'balance' things and keep the tree 'challenging and fun for all player types'.

Anybody fancy working though 450k of scout XP and 150k trapping??

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Owen-Lars wrote:

Ok guys, with the latest CU patch comes a change that was prety much unexpected and im not sure what to think.

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• "Changed camps to require and grant scout xp rather than camping xp"

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Id like you opinions on this change. Do you want it? Dont you want it? How does it effect you?

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I get very mixed feelings over this change.

My thinking is that the change was done largely because the SL prereq didn't involve combat. It might also have been done because you could get CL bonuses with a skill that had to be obtained outside of combat (although the change made it so that more CL enhancing skills can [different than have to] be gained outside of combat).

And, while I am proud of making it through the survival xp trees, that's not really the best reason to keep the xp type. If it's not fun, something needs to change. Personally, I think camps should have been made useful instead of making them less so. But, in the current state of the game, survival xp is rarely fun to get.

I am also concerned with the ability to craft or AFK macro through most of Scout and Ranger. Changing camping and crafting to scout xp makes it easier to do this.

On the other hand, all of our xp is possible to obtain through combat with this change. Survival xp is a strictly non combat action. So we have a bit more of a lever for combat skills. And we can argue for skills to help our combat survival in the survival tree.

While I don't personally like the change, there is some sense to it.

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Owen-Lars wrote:

Ok guys, with the latest CU patch comes a change that was prety much unexpected and im not sure what to think.

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• "Changed camps to require and grant scout xp rather than camping xp"

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Id like you opinions on this change. Do you want it? Dont you want it? How does it effect you?

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Message Edited by DesktopSaki on 04-15-2005 08:43 PM

it devalues the profession, rangers are meant to be at one with the land and able to do everyting where ever they are. What would explorers do with out wilderness survival knowledge..... die thats what. If anything trapping xp needs to become wilderness survival. Also lowering the xp gained per trap. its possible to get the trapping tree in an hour just throwing wire mesh at naffs or rancors. reconsider please