Ranger Archive
Thread: They never lsiten to us, the hate Rangers..well, CHECK THIS OUT!!!
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:14 am
#53
uh oh... do i dare to post this...
/tiphat tiggs & devs
I still feel twofold about this change...
Jasse: I can live with the fact that a solo MR can be outharvested when Ranger0030 or above is grouped with a MR.
BUT
Please don't get me wrong here... the fixed MR box CHB boost is definately great and a must and past overdue (hoping this will get into live asap), however ...
/takes a deep breath
... fixing this inbalance has caused imho a greater inbalance for another profession, which is also suffering a lot. For me and DaveG, both also riflemen, we're used to sending out our CHB droids which, in previous cases gave a bonus.Now the use of droids has been completely eradicated: they harvest LESS than the MR (the bonus doesn't work: MR 150, Droid: 109-120...)
For me personally means I also have to leave my tactical 64m position, go in and harvest manually.
For the DE community it's even worse: another usefull type of droid down the drain... They have almost no good functional droid left anymore. So I really feel sorry for them. Read http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=106481
where this is addressed.
I for myself will go on TC trying to help the DE's out.
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As a sidenote, in my personal opinion,this quick fix how badly needed as it is, is also telling me the shortsightedness of some of the devs and or soenot considering the impact such a sudden increase in CHB in favor of the MR has upon the other related professions.
Regarding discussions we've had, just removing the penalty would have fixed it alltogether, showing no favouritism towards ranger (see complaints about smuggler/ch still being borked in the thread) and had left the other (DE) profession intact. To increase the yield of resources just the modifier of the base yield could have been increased. Or as DaveG would have put it, 0P0B! Or as Phenix has had calculated: a bonus given but not so high...
I hope more people now understand that we looked *way* further then the devs and saw what was coming.
SolaasD
Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:34 am
#54
I am a Master Ranger on Wanderhome and I was harvesting with people today and was very happy except that at present the Master Ranger Box + to Skill Mod's is still +10 instead of the +60. Wasn't this supposed to go live with the rest of the Ranger Changes? I love being a master Ranger, and on Wanderhome I have a Creature Resources orginization. With the accompanyment of a few Rangers in Training we gathered about 50 k of Corellian Carnivore meat from Slice Hounds and Razor cats and Crimson Razor Cats. I had Initally gone with those as i knew a place where they were abundant and the person with me was not the master of a combat profession.
If I had been hunting Shnarff or Gronda I would have been harvesting alot more. I am assuming they meant it to be a +60 and am going to treat it as a bug and report it.
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:49 am
#55
I forgot to put this in in my previous posting...
JBmat: please check with your MS! I think, as some of the MS pointed out, the same problem still occurs with the MS/Scout0040!!!! So I wonder what would happen if the devs would give the MS box also a +50.... (or +25)... IMHO the inbalance is still there, it only has shifted from A to B.
Temujin23
Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:30 am
#56
SweetKali Ma.
I'm not merely placated-- I'm genuinely happy. And surprised; I figured a change like this wouldn't come about until our revamp.
Tiggs, devs, Calc and everyone who fought for this: thank you.
al-djinn'i
Master Ranger/Master Rifleman
JokitoRoyo
Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:54 am
#57
Owen-Lars wrote:
lol ok this strategy needs a rethink
*ties paks up with wookie proof rope*
*ponder*
/psst
*Attatches other end of rope to pack of trained OverKreetles!"
*Yah Bug! YAH!*
Sondhi
Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:55 am
#58
woot!
/congratulate all the Rangers and Scouts who went for this hell for leather.
Jasse
Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:07 am
#59
Dariane:
First, glad to hear you can live with the remaining outharvest issues.
Second, as you see from my last paragraph in my post, concerns like the ones you have started to appear in my mind as well.
Now that my exitement has dropped to somewhat near normal levels, I must say that your post triggers some not that good feelings.
In general:
I know it's probably covered by other threads (seem to remember that they are filled with contradictory posts though - and the ranger FAQ says nothing about it) but could someone in the know please explain how veghash anddroids works (I think I know, but I find that explaining it to others is a pain, so maybe I don't after all) and are affetcted by all this - both grouping and the new +50.
Maybe the devs should have postponed the bonus until a more balanced solution was found, there were many good suggestions in the Harvesting change thread. Or maybe they are on top of itand are already adjusting harvesting droids?
This mostly affects ranged rangers I guess, and I have a feeling that us ranged people have to wait for the CURB, as we are supposed to get a lot of love there.
And before you even reply, YES Im realy happy about the new mod, but it's still alowed to look ahead to further improvements and possible issues right?
Rancorrider4
Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:33 am
#60
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
uh oh... do i dare to post this...
/tiphat tiggs & devs
I still feel twofold about this change...
Jasse: I can live with the fact that a solo MR can be outharvested when Ranger0030 or above is grouped with a MR.
BUT
Please don't get me wrong here... the fixed MR box CHB boost is definately great and a must and past overdue (hoping this will get into live asap), however ...
/takes a deep breath
... fixing this inbalance has caused imho a greater inbalance for another profession, which is also suffering a lot. For me and DaveG, both also riflemen, we're used to sending out our CHB droids which, in previous cases gave a bonus.Now the use of droids has been completely eradicated: they harvest LESS than the MR (the bonus doesn't work: MR 150, Droid: 109-120...)
For me personally means I also have to leave my tactical 64m position, go in and harvest manually.
For the DE community it's even worse: another usefull type of droid down the drain... They have almost no good functional droid left anymore. So I really feel sorry for them. Read http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=106481
where this is addressed.
I for myself will go on TC trying to help the DE's out.
=====
As a sidenote, in my personal opinion,this quick fix how badly needed as it is, is also telling me the shortsightedness of some of the devs and or soenot considering the impact such a sudden increase in CHB in favor of the MR has upon the other related professions.
Regarding discussions we've had, just removing the penalty would have fixed it alltogether, showing no favouritism towards ranger (see complaints about smuggler/ch still being borked in the thread) and had left the other (DE) profession intact. To increase the yield of resources just the modifier of the base yield could have been increased. Or as DaveG would have put it, 0P0B! Or as Phenix has had calculated: a bonus given but not so high...
I hope more people now understand that we looked *way* further then the devs and saw what was coming.
Sorry but no way should a droid outharvest ANY Ranger, let alone a Master Ranger. I feel for the DE's, and until they implement real combat droids, and dom something to cause a source of renewable income (for Shipwrights, Architects and others as well) DE's will continue to suffer. However this should not come at the expense of Ranger's whose only real purpose in SWG right now is to harvest.
You should have been around when the harvest droids first came out and seen the reaction in the Ranger community. If you think Calc and DaveG went rounds you should have seen Calc and I spar over those droids. Not pretty. Rangers first in harvesting, droids second.
P.S. By the way. I have played a Rifleman most of my SWG life, and did it long before harvesting droids were vogue and did very well. Whereare JB Mat and Fred Skinner when I need them......
Cryos_Merovingian
Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:38 am
#61
I don't know if you're all aware, but this change is now LIVE.
That's right! hotfix notes show this as going live as of today!
Oreet
Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:40 am
#62
frightwig wrote:
Great news!
I forsee: someone, somewhere, still complaining.
I have a complaint...
where's the Ranger Hat????
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:49 am
#63
Rancorrider4 wrote:
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
... fixing this inbalance has caused imho a greater inbalance for another profession, which is also suffering a lot. For me and DaveG, both also riflemen, we're used to sending out our CHB droids which, in previous cases gave a bonus.Now the use of droids has been completely eradicated: they harvest LESS than the MR (the bonus doesn't work: MR 150, Droid: 109-120...)
Sorry but no way should a droid outharvest ANY Ranger, let alone a Master Ranger. I feel for the DE's, and until they implement real combat droids, and dom something to cause a source of renewable income (for Shipwrights, Architects and others as well) DE's will continue to suffer. However this should not come at the expense of Ranger's whose only real purpose in SWG right now is to harvest.
I dont agree with this... If the droids were made to give a bonus as they do with other professions why not. It would be even defendable for RP/RL pov which I will not go into now.
You should have been around when the harvest droids first came out and seen the reaction in the Ranger community. If you think Calc and DaveG went rounds you should have seen Calc and I spar over those droids. Not pretty. Rangers first in harvesting, droids second.
Still beside the point I'm trying to make in the post. Yes, I wasn't there in the first rounds; Ofcourse I'm curious what the cons would be from a RP pov. Cause I can think of a lot of pros for it and will defend the statement that a droid could and should get more from a creature (adding a bonus to the owners CHB). That is something else then bluntly outharvesting a MR!!!
P.S. By the way. I have played a Rifleman most of my SWG life, and did it long before harvesting droids were vogue and did very well. Whereare JB Mat and Fred Skinner when I need them......
If I understand you correctly, Calc is in favour of them, so in this matter he would get my support 
The point however on the whole message was that impacts like this incorporateed by those hotfixes before properly tested on TC are giving SWG a bad name. Yes there are more professions out there borked besides the Ranger that needs fixing. A lot of these stuff could have prevented by just increasing the bonus for the MR on TC before going life and testing it.
I didn't want to start a war on wether or not droids should harvest more or not. Fact given, they were doing that prior to bonus/MR bonus patch. Suddenly droids (with CHB) have become useless... That should never have happened.
Vorpaks
Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:08 am
#65
Dariane I think this is a bug, not an imbalance. Hopefully, hopefully it can be fixed as quickly as the outharvesting issue for Master Rangers was fixed. If they had just removed the penalty for group harvesting we would still be pushing for a bonus to the harvesting mods for Master - that is a seperate issue we have pushed for a long time. No doubt when we got it (which I think we all expected would happen in our revamp) this droid issue would have emerged anyways.
No software is perfect. They tried to push this change out to us as soon as possible to make us happy and I am not going to burn them for it. We could have had from now to kingdom come to test it and probably still would have found issues. Has anyone tested veghash yet? 
And no one can really argue with Oppma - his issues with droids is the same issue people had with grouping. Why should you feel forced to use a droid to get the best possible harvest? Why should you feel forced to group to get the best possible harvest? Why should you feel forced to use veghash to get the best possible harvest? They are all the same argument, and valid opinions for each person.
Personally I see all these options as just that - options I can take advantage of to increase my harvesting level... or not. As I choose. I like them all.
But I do admit from an RP view the "stick the corpse in the hopper and grind it up" is less attractive than the skin it with my own two hands... amazingly enough. Ew. Actually I'd rather not think of either. /grin
No software is perfect. They tried to push this change out to us as soon as possible to make us happy and I am not going to burn them for it.
We could have had from now to kingdom come to test it and probably still would have found issues. Has anyone tested veghash yet? And no one can really argue with Oppma - his issues with droids is the same issue people had with grouping. Why should you feel forced to use a droid to get the best possible harvest? Why should you feel forced to group to get the best possible harvest? Why should you feel forced to use veghash to get the best possible harvest? They are all the same argument, and valid opinions for each person.
Personally I see all these options as just that - options I can take advantage of to increase my harvesting level... or not. As I choose. I like them all.
But I do admit from an RP view the "stick the corpse in the hopper and grind it up" is less attractive than the skin it with my own two hands... amazingly enough. Ew. Actually I'd rather not think of either.
/grin