Ranger Archive
Thread: Poll: what would you do if the bonus system comes and tries to enforce grouping?
frightwig
Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:02 am
#40
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
frightwig wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:Enforce grouping?
Yeah, I seen that quote thrown around a lot over the past couple of days as a way to get the "no bonus, no penalty" point across.
Sorry, but adding a bonus to grouping in no way "enforces" grouping.
If you were ever to read more carefully, I never stated that. Anywhere...
You stated it in the title of the thread. "enforced grouping". You're not stating an opinion in the title, you're misrepresenting facts. If you don't like the change, that's certainly fair enough. No one said you weren't entitled to an opinion. But you're trying to put negative conotations on it, such as "enforcing" when it doesn't enforce anything.
Simple fact is, that in whatever form this change goes in, you will still harvest as much as you always have if you remain a solo hunter.
Not receiving a benefit, doesn't equal receiving a penalty. Whether you disagree with the change, or not, it does, by definition "encourage" grouping. But in no way does it "Enforce".
Message Edited by frightwig on 02-21-2005 10:08 AM
DureenaBadKarma
Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:34 am
#41
Eek! Bit of a scary thread to post in but here goes...
I like the fact that grouping is now encouraged, I am all for group play as it is by far the most fun in my opinion.
What I find hard is that I've spent the past 3 months as Ranger learning to hunt alone. Its been better for tactical kills and with no buffs or armour I don't play the way most players (not Rangers 
) do, so running up to a lair and spamming 30 area attacks, goingto putthe kettle on, and coming back to harvest is not how I operate. Also the penalty discouraged me from grouping so now everything I do is organised around solo pretty much, unless my in game partner comes along and I take the hit in harvest for the company I enjoy.
) do, so running up to a lair and spamming 30 area attacks, goingto putthe kettle on, and coming back to harvest is not how I operate. Also the penalty discouraged me from grouping so now everything I do is organised around solo pretty much, unless my in game partner comes along and I take the hit in harvest for the company I enjoy.Now I have to turn everything on it's head so I don't get out-harvested by a band of scout xx1x's who are lead by a master ranger. I guess it's pride in the end. I am proud to be a ranger.I love the skills, the job we do, and this forum. I love the vision we have here and it feels a bit like we've been turned into a harvesting AA/CA for combat bots who dabble in scout.. dare I say BH's! 
Is it correct that the group gets the bonus but we don't? I don't get the maths of it all but can someone comfirm that a scout won't out harvest the ranger leading the group they're in? Cos if so, that's a bit crazy imo.
As with it all, we shall see what happens, and no doubt it'll pan out in the end and we'll adapt. But for me it's a bit of 180 turn and something of a shock to the system I guess.
Obata
Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:48 am
#42
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Is it correct that the group gets the bonus but we don't? I don't get the maths of it all but can someone comfirm that a scout won't out harvest the ranger leading the group they're in? Cos if so, that's a bit crazy imo.
Because the ranger gets a group harvesting bonus too (though a smaller one), no scout will out harvest a ranger in the same group. A master scout grouped with a novice ranger will harvest the same amount that the novice ranger would harvest solo, but the ranger will get a 20% bonus for being grouped, and will therefore outharvest the MS by 20%. The only time a ranger will harvest less than someone at a lower level is when a MR groups with a xx4x ranger. In that circumstance, the MR will harvest 2.26% less than the xx4x ranger.
Note to Paks: You see what you've gotten me into? Now I can't make the numbers stop! There must be a 12-step program for people like me.
ShyGirl
Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:01 am
#43
Wow,
I guess we are loosing our patience?... I've never seen so many "one stars" in one single thread on the Ranger Forum ! 
Well, to answer the question:
I would go for 3 primarily and then 2 when I want to work really fast (Fast is my style... just ask anybody that knows me, rofl !) 
I play the game as I choose, nobody is forcing me to group..... if they penalize me for going solo, so be it; At this point, I can care less (My only satisfaction will be that I play the gameas I want to play it). 
Sunsplitter
Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:36 am
#44
I like the devs try at getting ppl to group hunt, and the fact that it tries to get Rangers involved, but if it means I get taken advantage of, I'm grouping with another Master Ranger and I'll hunt only that way. If this stands It'll be good for my 2 person hunting party, but bad for the intended purpose. Get this fixed!
To answer:#3
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:20 pm
#45
Owen-Lars wrote:
Opions are welcome but one thing is for certain, we are NOT being forced to group at all.
There is simply incentive to group now meaning you will get a bonus when in group. You do not get penalised if you are solo, you get normal rates.
Everyone is welcome to their own opinions but when you put a title up suggesting something that isnt true then obviously you will get negative feedback.
Oh and whats with the recent influx of 'lots of rangers think the same as me so my opinion must be important' posts? Your opinion has always been represented so i dont need reminding how to do the job in every post. Yes you have an opinion, some agree, some disagree, both sides will be represented. Im getting prety sick of that response and its getting old.
That's your opinion I respect. In my opinion when I as a MR hunt solo and Ranger0040 gets more from a group then I'm penalized for hunting solo. Again: MY OPINION.
I'll be the wisest for this time and not even go there... (even if I do have an opinion on the matter).
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:22 pm
#46
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
If it makes you feel better, go for it! I have yet to rate anyone on this whole harvesting thing because, as you said, we are all entitled to our opinion. Here's a hint...you don't like one stars, either stop posting (I am being sarcastic)or turn off the system becuase they are a fact of life on these forums.
If you were ever to read the posts I made (I can be sarcastic too) you would already know I don't use the system (for a while now). So this post is completely out of context and to me it's considered a flame.
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:23 pm
#47
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Titles are the first impression for the thread. Quite often, in oither forums (I read everything here), I won't even enter a thread if the title is of poor quality (such as leet speak or 'the devs hate us' kind of titles).
Guess you are right.. When I make a new poll i will label it just "Poll" ....
darmokVtS
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:24 pm
#48
What I will do after that stuff goes live?
Simple, I won't turn down the guildies asking me to group up for hunting as then it's a benefit to group for all involved (even tho I do not get my own bonus I still get the general bonus) and not a penalty. And as I still hope that the current set of rules is not necessarily the final version I still hope we might get our own bonus applied to us and not only to group members .
Simple, I won't turn down the guildies asking me to group up for hunting as then it's a benefit to group for all involved (even tho I do not get my own bonus I still get the general bonus) and not a penalty
. And as I still hope that the current set of rules is not necessarily the final version I still hope we might get our own bonus applied to us and not only to group members .Message Edited by darmokVtS on 02-21-2005 08:29 PM
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:31 pm
#49
frightwig wrote:
Sorry, but adding a bonus to grouping in no way "enforces" grouping.
If you were ever to read more carefully, I never stated that. Anywhere...
You stated it in the title of the thread. "enforced grouping". You're not stating an opinion in the title, you're misrepresenting facts. If you don't like the change, that's certainly fair enough. No one said you weren't entitled to an opinion. But you're trying to put negative conotations on it, such as "enforcing" when it doesn't enforce anything.
Simple fact is, that in whatever form this change goes in, you will still harvest as much as you always have if you remain a solo hunter.
Not receiving a benefit, doesn't equal receiving a penalty. Whether you disagree with the change, or not, it does, by definition "encourage" grouping. But in no way does it "Enforce".
Message Edited by frightwig on 02-21-2005 10:08 AM
I start to feel like DaveG here. Read again. I don't state a fact, i state a hypothetical situation. Keywords: "would, comes, tries" Those 3 are all indication of something that might be going to happen but is not the case yet. If you misinterpret, that's your own fault. Others who responded normally (and giving more options then I thought of) did read it correctly.
Second I'm not putting negative conotations to it, i'm merely enquiring how people feel. If I get flamed for it so be it. I will shut up, just like DaveG. I like to have fun and make it all better, but getting flamed is not my idea of having fun, a good or even a very heated discussion.
ForceFielding
Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:39 pm
#50
20% more harvest isn't going to force grouping. The time it takes to organize the group would offset a 20% harvest gain.
The only thing that would force grouping is if the combat downgrade makes it so you can onlysolo creatures half as strong as before.
agent156
Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:20 pm
#51
Owen-Lars wrote:My favourite times in the game and any other mmo have come from the first few weeks of playing. Grouping with 15 mates on rori all noob and all kicking the crap out of squalls or around AH on Tat hunting down imperials with no buffs, no armour and having the bestest of times. I long for those days to return, we are heading in the right direction.
While I wil cry 0P0B! untill the day a die, I can't help but think that now that grouping wont be a hit to harvesting, that such days will return.
What I really can't wait to see is all the hunting knowledge that all these long lone scouts/rangers have been keeping to them selves geting in to the heads of the masses. In a month or so affter the -40% goes away there will be a lot more smart hunters out there. It wont be as evil to hunt in random groups.
I rolled my first and only toon in late Aug. Came in a scout and never gave it up. My fist group hunt was so much fun that it kinda set me up for disapointment. Six of the eight of us where scouts. There was a camp between every lair, and we spent more time joking around than we did killing. Half of us didn't have speeders so we walked lair to lair. At the end of the trip the hills bothered me a lot less than they did at the begining. I learned every thing I needed to know about how to clear lairs in that one trip. No brandy, no veghash, no droids, no armor, still had the melon in my inventory.
Wow I've been alone to long on Endor again, think I need to sit my ass down if front of the Mos Eisley cantina, make some fishing poles and see who I meet.
lunas
Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:08 pm
#52
i have 2 other novice rangers in my guild and like now i'll still hunt with them for the guild ( even though they get more of a bonus than i will being that i am MR). So i'll hunt solo when getting xp and grinding resorces for guildies and team up with the other rangers in my guild and other guildies for guild hunts. Mabey even team up with some random people if i like the way they ask or if they genuinly want to learn to hunt. But i do like the idea of chargeing the a$$ hats out there 500k up front for grouping with me though.