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I state again that SoE had no intention of making Antarian type Rangers. I am no Star Wars expert and have no interest in Star Wars other than watching the movies and playing SWG. From the linkin the first postand that link is my first knowledge of what an Antarian Ranger is, first post it appears to me, as another said here that the Antarian Ranger is pure military Ranger like perhaps the US Army has Rangers.

SoE to my knowledge has never indicated that the SWG Ranger is a military combat type.

The toptitles of the 4 skills bear this out: Hunt Master, Master Trapper, Frontiersman, Wayfayer.

NO indication of a military type Ranger here. No indication in any skill of ANY military abilites.

Many perhaps with a deep background in Star Wars lore may have mistakenly picked the Ranger class thinking that SoW had designed them after the Antarian Rangers but a quick look at the skill sets should have clarified to them that this was a wrong impression.

I picked Ranger becauseI did look at the skill sets as SoE designed them and the description of the Ranger from the Official Strategy Guide by Prima. They both clearly indicate that the Ranger is supposed to the best beast Hunter and Trapper as well person adept at rescue, wilderness survivial and exploring.

I chose Ranger because, after reading the skills wanted to have a non military type character. A wilderness survival expert, great Hunter, explorerand Trapper appealed to me because I thought I would be in the class that would be the best at Hunting and Trapping wild dangerous creatures while the military types would be out fighting wars.

Well in that part I too was wrong because the best hunters are some of the classes that were actually designed, not for hunting but for war and killing people. Imperials Commandos with a pair of ATST's, they are combat, war class yet the game allows them to walk next to lair I have patiently hunting Ranger style and wipe out the lair and all the critters in less than a minute.

Thats my problem with Rangers. They need to boost Rangers and "nerf" the military types so they have no incentive to kill the Scout/Ranger prey, wild beasts and critters. Make lower the XP for Miltary types for killing critters and boost it for them killing NPC's on NPC missions and killing players in GCW.

In other words make us better at hunting and killing creatures and them worse at it. Now by making them worse at hunting creatures I mean lower the incentive for them to hunt creatures and boost incentive to "Hunt" that which they were designed to, the NPC's and rebels and imperials, both alive and droids.

Guess what? They are already better at killing NPC's than we are. The problem is they are also better at hunting and killing critters too.

Rangers need to the BEST Hunters in the game forHUNTING andKILLING large dangerous creatures. A Ranger by knowing weak points of a creature and his/her specialization in killing creatures should be better at it than a Commando, Bounty Hunter, Non Ranger Pistoleer, Carbineer etc.

In fact ATST's and Laser Cannons and Flamethrowers should LOWER the XP on creatures because you are destroying the kill not hunting and killing it like a hunter would. You can use a grenade to hunt deer but you probably would not get as much meat as if you used a rifle.

Too bad thats not the case.....

Rangers are not the best and acutally be should be poor at killing NPC's, and other players. Rangers are hunters and trappers and trackers and camper and survivalists and sneak by'ers not a Combat, War, Military class.

Thats not to say the Rangers should have role in the GCW. In the GCW Rangers should excel at 3 things. Camps that aid the warriors much more than they do now. Tracking and spying on wilderness enemy formations, (not in cities) and guidingfriendly forces through the wilderness unseen to get to battle. Lastly when the battle occurs the Rangers should excel not at fighting players or ATST's but killing enemy Beast Handler pets.

So for those looking to be a military type Ranger, I suggest to you that you are looking at the Ranger class as your previous Star Wars knowledge may have lead you believe that a Ranger is but it is NOT what a SWG SoE version of a Ranger is. I am sorry that you have been mislead and confused but the SoE SWG Ranger is not a military type class.

Ranger = Daniel Boone & Davy Crockett

Ranger not = Rambo

Ranger not = US Army Ranger

Believe me I never went solo or probably would have wanted to. I agreed with everything you have said about the Antarian rangers with the exception of weaponary, which rangers sorely lack as a class specific weapon, and given what SOE's vision of us if anything we would get something that enhances us in PvE. That said my vision of what I am is more along the military ranger type and not just the woodsman and as I said the best crap out there is the BH stuff for pure damage dealing. I am not saying the a Rifleman/Ranger is gimp maybe a bit broke but not worthless. I realize we could be even deadlier in PvP if they gave us traps, traps for some reason really break the enemys morale (could be because their buddies legs just got blown off) but take it one step futher and add some kick ass weapons to it. Since they have not I made my own build which again IMHO makes me a pretty deadly ranger in PvP. I do not want to be a bounty Hunter but hey until they fix carbines and rifles BH has the best toys and I like toys. I wish they would mold us closer to that of The Antarian ranger but until they do I am going to do what I feel makes me that deadly fighting force.

Then the class should be removed, this is star wars, they ahve continually stated they will keep to the continuity of star wars as much as possible, the artisans play their part in the gcw by supplying weapons, armor, food, drink, healing, entertainment for the troops. We umm what do we do again? We camp and skin animals and are a glorified resource harvester. We need to be more, the antarian ranger model is what we should be based on, they were masters of the environment, we are too. We have military level trapping capability but it isn't applicable to anything but pve animals right now, the antarian rangers had this knowledge too but they weren't limited to using it on wild animals only. They possessed all of our current skills but were better able to use them, i've stated this a thousand times, we don't need special weapons or specials to be a ranger, that's what pistoleer,carbineer,rifleman,BH,commando are for.

We add an elite combat profession to ranger to become an antarian ranger, the combination reflects very much of what a antarian ranger was. We could conceal ourselves, lay traps, setup ambushes if only the code allowed us to use the skills we already possess, even setup forward military base camps. Stop selling us short, we are quite capable of being what an antarian ranger was in the star wars universe. If you do not want to participate in the gcw and use your skills in the gcw you do not have to, it doesn't make these skills any less viable in pve if you can also use them in pvp. I really do not understand what your problem is with this. Why are you insisting we do not get our wishes? I hope you realize you are in a very small minority here. We would still be good in pve and be able to do everything we do now, it only opens up another aspect of the game for us and lets us play our part.

The suggestions have already been given to the devs, you are blockading nothing here. If the devs state to us what you just have i see alot of use leaving the profession. If this happens have fun skinning rabbits cause i'll be canceling. This game is not worth playing to play pve only, there is almost no content in that part of the game, why? Because this is star wars not deer hunter and it's all about the Galactic Civil War.

Not you wolfscout, as i've stated out primary weapons should come from the other elite professions. Traps and camo and tracking are what makes us unique. I was referring the the poster alfgand. Sorry for the confusion there.

Soldiers should come in a variety of flavors, i.e. different weapon and combat relatedskills but a guerilla fighter most certainly would have ranger somewhere in his skillset.

US army rangers are most certainly skilled with rifles and pistols but what makes them more special than a mere rifleman is the fact that they are rangers, they have skills that make them deadly in the wild, more deadly than a rifleman and better able to survive those conditions, both are soldiers, one is an elite soldier and one is not.

Keito Said: We camp and skin animals and are a glorified resource harvester.

Well all that and hunting and trapping. You should have read what SoE set up for the skill sets for Ranger.

Keito said: We have military level trapping capability

Nope, We have Hunting level traps. (That are worthless btw) No where in the any SoE info does it say the trapshave ANY military capability. Again this is your idea of a military Ranger not SoE's idea ofa Hunting and Trapping Wild Creature Ranger.

Keito said: Then the class should be removed, this is star wars.

Nope, What you want is a different class called Antarian Ranger. Probably would be a good class. But it is TOTALLY different than what exists now.

Keito said: We add an elite combat profession to ranger to become an antarian ranger.

We are NOT AN ELITE COMBAT PROFESSION. We are not even a Combat Profession. Again, this is your dream not the reality as SoE designed them.

Keito said: Stop selling us short

I am not.I want us to become what SoE designed us to be. The BEST Hunters and Trappers in the game for HUTING wild critters and KILLING them. I am just not particpating in your dream.

Keito Said: Why are you insisting we do not get our wishes?

I am not. You need a new class: Antarian Comabt Rangers.

Keito said: If you do not want to participate in the gcw ...

I do want those Rangers who want to particpate to be able to. I outlined 3 fabulous very usefull ways we could particpate WITHOUT turning us into a combat class that clearly SoE never intended.

Keito said: Then the class should be removed, this is star wars.

No, but SoE in reasearching and Lucas while checking up on this should have NEVER allowed this confusion to start. They must have been aware of the Antarian Rangers and either should have made them like the AR's and the have the skill sets that make sense for a AR. Or if they wanted to make a Explorer, Hunter, Trapper, Survivalist type Ranger like they actually are trying to do, they should have made it clear that the class is not an Antarian Combat Ranger. So people like you folks did not get confused and waste time learning skills that give you a "To hit animal" bonus.

Keito said: , you are blockading nothing here.

Nope, not trying to block anything. lol Just pointing out the differences between the way SoE designed Rangers and your dream of what you think Rangers should be. I am not saying that a Star Wars Ranger has to be a Creature Hunter, Trapper etc etc. and could not be a Combat Ranger BUT clearly SoE had not intention of making them that way.

I picked Ranger because I WANTED to do the very things you SCOFF at, because I read the Official Authorized Prima guide to SWG and it explained the Ranger as a beast hunter etc, NOT as a COMBAT Ranger and I LOOKED at the ACTUAL SKILLS that SoE was giving to Rangers.

Like: Camps for survival. To hit CREATURE Bonuses, CREATURE Traps etc. etc. NONE of those skills indicate ANY evidence towards a COMBAT RANGER profession. You just thought the SWG Ranger was a COMBAT MILITARY RANGER. Sorry, its not the way it is.

Keito said: If this happens have fun skinning rabbits cause i'll be canceling.

Well thats your choice. But maybe you should try a combat class like commando and call yourself an Antarian Ranger if you like.

You are forgeting one major thing:

SOE has admited that Ranger was an incomplete profession with little content when the game was released.

That means that neither you, I,nor SOE knows what Rangers are suppose to be.

We are just giving suggestions for what we believe Rangers should be to differientiate ourselves from Scout 2.0

If you are happy with the admited lack of content that is the Ranger profession, fine. Please do not tell us that we should be content with it as well...

How do you even get to Ranger w/o taking a combat class as well?

Why to we get COMBAT bonuses?

Problem is not in what the Ranger IS. Ranger SHOULD BE MORE then catching Yogi with the pick-a-nick basket.

Sorry, I should not have ranted like that... how did this thread get ugly all of a sudden?

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Fred_Skinner wrote:

How do you even get to Ranger w/o taking a combat class as well?

Why to we get COMBAT bonuses?

Problem is not in what the Ranger IS. Ranger SHOULD BE MORE then catching Yogi with the pick-a-nick basket.

Sorry, I should not have ranted like that... how did this thread get ugly all of a sudden?

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Sorry to jump at ya Ranger Fred, but

"Why to we get COMBAT bonuses?" The Combat Bonus you speak of is creature to hit bonuses. aka hit critter better
of course that doesn't apply to sword/pikeman/fencer/tka rangers either

+10 melee d +10 ranged d at master ranger. so that vir vir doesn't trip me and incapp me when I'm holding my rifle

I agree that we shold be more than yogi and jellystone park. How much more is all speculation and dreaming.
we can all dream

no yogi don't eat that bonespur now you got a headache

Glaza i've seen you post in the BH forums so i'm not overly trusting in your opinions here. Nor am i very concerned with the thoughts of a dabbler. You haven't posted anything constructive and are merely trolling and looking for a fight, if you have nothing to contribute to this discussion or if you can't flat out give us a good reason and one that SOE has actually said please refrain from more trolling. If you are content with killing, skinning animals and making camps then have at it. Traps for pve animals only is pretty dull which again just makes us a good resource harvester, if everything only deals with creatures then that's all we are, resource harvesters.

Notice tracking can track npcs, droids, and PEOPLE.

Conceal deals with creatures and npcs with PEOPLE in the future.

Traps will effect PEOPLE and other things like AT STs in the future

More useful camps that will be very beneficial to any raiding force in PVP will be coming in the future

It's all been submitted to the devs already, you didn't participate in the top 5 issues at all, i know i read them all and you never once posted any ideas. In fact ISSUE 2 was mainly dealing with traps and pvp.

But you run along now and play Billy Joe Bob the skeet shooting, rabbit skinning, turkey shooting son of a gun that you want to be, i'll be the tracking recon, trap laying, saboteur RANGER! Go hug a tree and kiss a Bantha. I'll fight for the rebellion and put my skills at their disposal.

It's also quite laughable that i can kill something as powerful and as big as a torton and can't appply the skills used in doing that to killing something much less deadly, people.

Currently there is anAntarian Rangerguild on:

• Ahazi


• Flurry


• Bloodfin


• Intrepid


• Valcyn

We all share a Guild site and have a forum for each galaxy. Great people are involved and I assume more galaxies will be joining in soon. I see you are on Valcyn so I thought I'd give you a couple of names. These people have joined the guild site and have been given the title of Valcyn Ranger, I don't know them personally.

• Ikoru


• Molek


• Karae

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SOE has admited that Ranger was an incomplete profession with little content when the game was released.

That means that neither you, I,nor SOE knows what Rangers are suppose to be.

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You are right but the fact that traps work only on creatures, that we only have a creature to hit bonus etc etc point to Rangers as a beast hunter not a Rambo.

Also I am sure most understand that I am talking about hunting large dangerous creatures, not Yogi the Bear as some have said.

Ranger not = Rambo

Ranger not = US Army Ranger

Ranger not= Antarian Ranger as SoE has so far laid it out.

Maybe they will turn it into a combat class rather than a pure creature hunting class. I would prefer they fixed us as Hunters and Killers and Trappers of large Dangerous creatures not into junior Rambos.

They should make a different class for Combat Rangers and call it Antarian Rangers.

Jase Lightstep

Ranger/Rifleman Radient

Proud to be a Ranger and Creature Hunter.