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Message Edited by NamelessArchon on 07-28-2005 04:11 PM

Iseult,

I know Kinshi well, and know the agonizing decision he made when he decided to pursue new avenues. That is quite unfair of you to take a cheap shot on someone whose whole purpose on these forums is to promote the Ranger and Ranger way of life. I think you owe him an apology for that one. Secondly, Kinshi is still a valuable member of the Antarian Rangers on Chilly, and is using his character to better support the guild's rangers in providing the combat support that rangers can't provide themselves. That is the true nature of a ranger, providing support to those who cannot do it alone. UNfortuantely, as a profession and appearantly as a community, we cant get our acts together to support ourselves without stabing folks in the back.

We must provide a UNITED front to get the attention of the Devs and to get that all important answer: Are they gonna fix the Ranger or kill it off. We must know this answer before we can lobby our proposals, pester the Devs or even approach Tiggs directly. Once we are assured by Tiggs directly that the Dev team will be working on Ranger and the point of contact for this is________., then we can drop our proposals on them, as a united community. If we can't show ourselves as a force to bedeatlt with then why should the Devs listen to a few disjointed comments as to why Ranger should live or die? There are too many young, impulsive players out there that just speak their mind without any cohesion or organization, and their words are brash and obtuse, causing Devs to completely ignore them. Many of us here are long time players, with educated concerns and a reasonable forum for logical and well thoughtout ideas to be formed and developed. This is the voice the Devs shoudl be hearing. Not a 12 year old who always says, "Gimme, Gimme!" No offense to the mature 12 year olds out there, but you all know what I mean.

Who is our voice to the Devs? Who is out point of contact for fixing our beloved ranger?

I, too have left the ranger profession. I learned my mistake, and as broken as this field is, it is the most fun I have had with a field. I grinded my way back to Ranger... no respec... old fashioned grind. I will not leave Ranger until the field is removed from the game. Now, what Dev is going to tell me to take my money elsewhere? Good luck trying!

I am just looking for answers folks, and I aplogize if I have hurt anyone's feelings here. Im headed back to the pool and my vacation. Happy hunting!

CMKX / Nh-oj

Bugs are important to be fixed to be sure, but professions need attention beyond the addressing of bug complaints. Im talking about the usual staple of listed professions, us, SL, etc. Ultimately I think that a lot of what we consider to be "bugs", they dont because they have something totally different in mind. A similar statement was made about the "bug" of creatures and pets not having specials way back and they hinted that they had something better in mind. Clearly what they had in mind is much better than any "pet specials" could have been. I think that once the new CH system is worked out then our /examine will fall into line. I have similar thoughts about the fixing of camp repel and adhesive not working. Why would they bother fixing these two issues if they are simply going to redesign the individual systems one at a time? New camping system? No need to fix old camps. New trapping system? No need to fix old traps. My feeling is that while a large segment of the team is focussed on chasing down and fixing bugs a smaller team will start the processes of altering long standing systems. Notice the CH changes are huge yet theyve clearly expressed an intent to focus on bugs. That "focus" has left them plenty of opportunity to make some major modifications to a much maligned and abused profession. We might be next. This thought is both reassuring and troubling. Ive heard unconfirmed rumors thatadevsaid they were looking at moving us to a two tree pre-req as well as adding weapon certs and mods. This could be good, yet I feel strongly that this doesn't jive with the role many of us have started to look at, the ultimate scout. Creating just another combat profession is all well and good, but would eliminate a highly unique and potentially valuable contributor to the health of the game long term.

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Temujin23 wrote:

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Vorpaks wrote:

Where did you see this internal bug list? I must have missed it on the dev tracker - they've been active lately.

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Active everywhere but here. Not even a token appearance to let us know that they still consider us part of the game.

Oh, and I was definitely wrong about one thing-- the quiet period in the wake of the publish that pretty much eliminated the average jedi's need to fear BH's that I predicted? Dead wrong on that one. Gave 'em too much credit, I guess. I was just over there reading a post about how THE most pressing issue in the entire game is the lack of flawless pearl drops. The sense of indignation and entitlement over there is just sickening.

I do find it encouraging that the devs swung into action (finally) to give CH's a reason to stick around. They needed it bad, worse than we do, even. If they can do that (and for such a small, non-l33t population), then maybe there is something for us on the horizon.

Not ready to abandon all hope just yet, but... it's hard not to bitter about the current situation. And by current situation, I mean the past two years (even though I've only been around for one of them).

al-djinn'i

Master Ranger

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Ahhh. A while ago they had us (Corrs) post our critical bug lists. The results of that for Scouts was the trapping xp fix and the Grey Con fix so far. Pearls not dropping WAS on someone's list, so I suspect that is why it has been mentioned. And yes, the chat tabs reseting was there too. Not a game breaker, but certainly makes a bad/frustrating immpression on new people trying out the game.

I would guess CH was just too broke to fix up right, so they totally remade it. Personally I am hoping we see Squad Leaders on one of the next patches as the "focus" the way CHs were on this one. I still think Squad Leaders are worse off than we are.

After the Grey Con fix I mentioned Adhesive Mesh as one of our next big items but was told that would not be fixed until the ability to spam traps was fixed (bug that came in with 20), so look for that first, at least from the Scout side. I am still pushing it to make sure it remains in the collective consciousness.

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CMKX wrote:

We must provide a UNITED front to get the attention of the Devs and to get that all important answer...

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As was posted in the question a developer thread, there isn't likely any question we can ask that we can't really answer ourselves. An we've provided a united front for 2 years and it apparently hasn't been very effective so far. Obviously the Dev's have no idea what to do with us, they didn't know how to balance the professions against each other with varying skill point requirements, so they brought all the point costs for each profession closer together. This is why we didn't change. What two trees in Scout do you drop as requirements for Ranger? You want to ask the Dev's a question, there it is.

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Greywulf0 wrote:

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Iseult wrote:
I will render him an apology proportionate to the amount of skill points he has invested in ranger, which is apparently none. In fact, I'll post what I was originally going to post: my "limbo" would be a lot more enjoyable if I didn't have to entertain so many bloody guests.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

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I guess since I have 0 SP invested in Ranger now, I had better stop trying to bring attention over here.The few posts I make in threads are almost always posted in by Kinshi. We have disagreed on some issues, but I have no doubt that the (can't quite remember the sig) "Small, blue and drawing a bead on you" ranger is still in Kinshi's heart. (Iam hoping that I am not mistaken on who had that in the sig!!!)

You know the sad thing aboutyour reply? I know quite a few rangers on my server, helped out quite a few while I was still a master ranger. Even tutored a non-imp (might have been a dirty reb, don't know) and pointed out which things to harvest, best places to find them (this was pre-CU), encouraged him to post new spawns on swgcraft, etc. I still hear from them today, three months after I gave up ranger. Sadly, only one is still a ranger.

Fact is, whenever my guild has a question about creatures, which ones drop what, where to find, etc. I am the first person they ask. I don't claim to be a ranger anymore, but I will always support rangers! Glad to know that in your case, my opinion doesn't matter.

Message Edited by Greywulf0 on 07-29-2005 01:38 AM

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You know what - there comes a time where you have to put your skillpoints where your mouth is. Kinshi is here week after week posting that our profession is broken, that our community is in "limbo," but he hasn't played ranger for months? He had it for what, three weeks after the CU and he dropped it completelty. He once posted once that you only need scout 3000 to be a true ranger? Yet he's here week after week in every thread that attempts to seriously discuss our issues, posting unequivically that ranger is broken, that our community has no direction, and that we're in "limbo"?

I don't mind non-and-ex rangers posting here. In fact, I admire and respect the great majority of you guys. But if you're going to insult our community - make statements like we're living in "limbo," then there has to be a limit, and he's crossed it.

And you know what, I've been a master ranger since Oct. 2003, yet every week I'm here reading people who've dropped ranger saying that ranger is "broken." I read this and I'm out solo'ing nightsisters on dath or grouped with people hunting and I'm taking the agro because I'm doing the most damage or tracking albatrosses on naboo and I'm thinking, wow - do the people who perpetuate this nonsense even play ranger? And you know what? It turns out they don't - not at all. It seems like every serious thread we have, we have to deal with the tired-old-myth that we're playing a "broken" profession, and the people who keep raising this issue are, with a few exceptions, people who have little or no actual skillpoint investment in ranger.

So from now on, if you guys are going to come in here and spout nonsense, I'm going to start asking to see some credentials. No skillpoints in ranger - sorry, but you have to earn the right to complain, to rave and rant and throw temper tantrums, and it's time some of you guys start earning it.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

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Iseult wrote:
I will render him an apology proportionate to the amount of skill points he has invested in ranger, which is apparently none. In fact, I'll post what I was originally going to post: my "limbo" would be a lot more enjoyable if I didn't have to entertain so many bloody guests.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

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I guess since I have 0 SP invested in Ranger now, I had better stop trying to bring attention over here.The few posts I make in threads are almost always posted in by Kinshi. We have disagreed on some issues, but I have no doubt that the (can't quite remember the sig) "Small, blue and drawing a bead on you" ranger is still in Kinshi's heart. (Iam hoping that I am not mistaken on who had that in the sig!!!)

You know the sad thing aboutyour reply? I know quite a few rangers on my server, helped out quite a few while I was still a master ranger. Even tutored a non-imp (might have been a dirty reb, don't know) and pointed out which things to harvest, best places to find them (this was pre-CU), encouraged him to post new spawns on swgcraft, etc. I still hear from them today, three months after I gave up ranger. Sadly, only one is still a ranger.

Fact is, whenever my guild has a question about creatures, which ones drop what, where to find, etc. I am the first person they ask. I don't claim to be a ranger anymore, but I will always support rangers! Glad to know that in your case, my opinion doesn't matter.

Message Edited by Greywulf0 on 07-29-2005 01:38 AM

edited - see below.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

Message Edited by Iseult on 07-29-2005 06:28 PM

On balance, my original post here woul djust make things worse and look like an attack on one person.

Instead, the lot of you, back off before the thread ends up locked for being a flameware and just a series of personal attacks and counter attacks.

BTW, I've got 4 rangers on Live and two on TC. So my ranger juju is bigger than yours 8P

Message Edited by Almagill on 07-29-2005 11:21 PM

ok message edited - I don't mind if non-rangers post here. I just wish you guys would stop with the negativity or at least try to understand where those of us who still enjoy and play the profession are coming form.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbiner
Bloodfin

Message Edited by Iseult on 07-29-2005 06:28 PM

Message Edited by Iseult on 07-29-2005 06:30 PM

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Iseult wrote:


I don't mind non-and-ex rangers posting here. In fact, I admire and respect the great majority of you guys. But if you're going to insult our community - make statements like we're living in "limbo," then there has to be a limit, and he's crossed it.


Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

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