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Thread: Later...
You mean Scout Correspondent. Calc resigned and is free to state his opinion.
Vorpaks wrote:
Rancorrider4 wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
QFE Paks!
She saved me from myself. My next response was going to be:
The next person that says if we want to be creature centric, (leave the Ranger prof/go play WoW) is going to get a Size 14 Leezard foot up their bum (mmm....spikey).
Frankly, it's those people who need to get their heads on straight. You need to realize that we went from a potentially unique, creature hunter to a run off the mill mishmash of Jedi/Rifleman, Commando, WS, and Smuggler skills. It's not like we have no basis for being upset that our role is 100% the opposite of what it, well, currently is. What I don't get is why, if you hated to be creature hunters so much, you were Rangers...
No one said those of that were asking for a more para-military role for Ranger didn't currently enjoy the style of Ranger as it is now. What most of us were saying was that we would MORE enjoy the para military aspect of it. Please don't stereotype us because we are happy with the new aspect being rolled.
Frankly with the Scout and
Ranger correspondentsboth feeling like these new enhancements are a huge negative for the profession I can't help but believe the Ranger community will become increasingly more divided and antagonistic. Very unfortunate indeed.
iIam sorry you feel that way Oppma.
Message Edited by Serraphin on 09-19-2005 01:49 PM
Serraphin wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Quoted for extra emphasis...I am not sure how many people figured this out yet.
Vorpaks wrote:
We will be what we before... which was not good enough. A lot of people were hoping that this revamp would enhance what Ranger was, instead of making it completely different. I will not be an ultimate hunter with this revamp. My camo will now have a snare, which means I will move very slowly with it on. Not a single one of my new skills can be used while in combat so that means if my traps do not take it out ( a whole lair?) in the first detonation I pretty much have to rely on my combat profession to kill anything - just like before.
Calc,
There were always two camps within theis forum that believed Ranger could be more. One saw it as Creature Hunter and the other camp always thought it should be more in line with a Spec-ops style military unit. One camp was significantly more verbal then the other camp till recently. That was one of the things I tried to shake up when I first came to the forums if you recall me often calling it the "Ranger Six" as there were essentially six members of the forum defacto stating their opinion as that of the entire community. If you disagree with any of the "Six" you were instantly assaulted. I feel for those members whom do not like the Revamp and as I stated before perhaps SOE can add an Outdoorsman/Elite Hunter class into the game. Many of us wanted the Ranger as it will now become. That does not makeus wrong.
Did I mis something? What you quoted doesn;t have anyhting to do with waht you said? /ponder
I am pretty sick of being accused of saying things I didn't. Where did I ever say y'all were wrong? Show me. The worst thing I did was say the new Ranger is a mishmash of a couple of professions, and you know what? It is. I never said it was wrong to like. In fact, I said, flat out, that I would probably keep Ranger. If I hate it as much as people imply/interpret that I do, WTH would I keep it?
You QFE'd a portion of Vorpaks post.
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Serraphin wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Quoted for extra emphasis...I am not sure how many people figured this out yet.
Vorpaks wrote:
We will be what we before... which was not good enough. A lot of people were hoping that this revamp would enhance what Ranger was, instead of making it completely different. I will not be an ultimate hunter with this revamp. My camo will now have a snare, which means I will move very slowly with it on. Not a single one of my new skills can be used while in combat so that means if my traps do not take it out ( a whole lair?) in the first detonation I pretty much have to rely on my combat profession to kill anything - just like before.
Calc,
There were always two camps within theis forum that believed Ranger could be more. One saw it as Creature Hunter and the other camp always thought it should be more in line with a Spec-ops style military unit. One camp was significantly more verbal then the other camp till recently. That was one of the things I tried to shake up when I first came to the forums if you recall me often calling it the "Ranger Six" as there were essentially six members of the forum defacto stating their opinion as that of the entire community. If you disagree with any of the "Six" you were instantly assaulted. I feel for those members whom do not like the Revamp and as I stated before perhaps SOE can add an Outdoorsman/Elite Hunter class into the game. Many of us wanted the Ranger as it will now become. That does not makeus wrong.
Did I mis something? What you quoted doesn;t have anyhting to do with waht you said? /ponder
I am pretty sick of being accused of saying things I didn't. Where did I ever say y'all were wrong? Show me. The worst thing I did was say the new Ranger is a mishmash of a couple of professions, and you know what? It is. I never said it was wrong to like. In fact, I said, flat out, that I would probably keep Ranger. If I hate it as much as people imply/interpret that I do, WTH would I keep it?
Message Edited by Serraphin on 09-21-2005 02:00 PM
You were not part of the six and there is no reason to detail them all. There were items I was correct about and others I was in error of. Sometimes I could have been more tactful and yet other times I chose not to be to get the effect I wanted.
Phenix1050 wrote:
funny thing Ser-- i think I was part of that 6, and here I am disagreeing with some of 'em.
guys, I have one request-- let's just all have fun and enjoy each others' company as usual until we get our hands on this. Lets test the heck out of it and make sure the game is still fun for both camps before we start getting at each others' throats. We disagree, sure. But let's not let that draw us apart personally. I love rock, some people like rap, etc. Little differences shouldn't matter.
Also 10 bucks says JB still posts here and on the scout forum when he's a Jedi. We're family guys.
Almagill wrote:
Eh? Creature centric? Me? Must be some other Ken...
GregSmith wrote:
I agree with this statement, JB. I want to be creature-centric like you and Ken. While I think the changes are pretty cool and may actually even be fun to play, it's just not what I wanted or want to do with Ranger. I will give the new Ranger a chance, but I expect that I will dropping the majority of it, keeping MasterScout, and maybe pick up CH or something.
JBMat wrote:
I can't say I am enthused to see the direction that Ranger will be taking. Instead of being Masters of the Wilderness, we will be thieves.
Sorry, Ken, must have misread something you wrote.
/requestforgiveness
/chastiseself
Rolfie wrote:
Sneev wrote:
I too am currently in the process of dropping ranger. The new changes look fun, but not relevant to my preferred role as a creature hunter and explorer. I may try it again with my alt when I am done getting my FS skills, but they don't seem like they will appreciably add to TKM, or to my style of gameplay. PvP holds little or no interest to me, and would mostly mean I ended up associating with people who for the most part I can't stand. I liked the PvE harvesting and exploration role of the current Ranger, despite its faults, but it seems all I will need in the future is some scout skills to achieve that.
Its been fun, good luck with the new SWG Rogue profession
Thanks for the parting snide remark. Good hunting Ranger.
That was intended to be more humour than snide really. Perhaps it doesn't read that way. The new design for Ranger is more like the traditional rogue style of character in a fantasy MMORPG, I would hope you agree? I am not putting it down. If I was into PvP I am sure this would probably be my profession of choice but as I am not, I am going to try something else. I loved being a Ranger prior to this, make no mistake.
Yeah i dont see any rogue about it really.
I have a rogue on wow on hes nothing like the my ranger guy will be. Perhaps its just the stealth thing, and the steeling thing.
Who cares though 
my Recon Unit will be charging his way through the wilderness having a great time
That's exactly it...those 2 things kind of exemplify the fantasy Rogue/Thief. BUT, that's not all our profession will be, and it *seems* that stealing will be a pretty minor thing, at least in the beginning.
Owen-Lars wrote:
Yeah i dont see any rogue about it really.
I have a rogue on wow on hes nothing like the my ranger guy will be. Perhaps its just the stealth thing, and the steeling thing.
Who cares though
Except for pulling my rogue doesnt run around with a rifle (or could it be carb) in his hands.
A rogue has always been a melee offensive giver, weak defenses and stealthy. Yeah some of the rangers skills contribute to that but its your template that would be a rogue, not just ranger on its own.
Ranger/Rifle = Sniper
Ranger/Commando = Demotitions
Ranger/Swords/Fencer = Rogue
Ranger/SL = Recon Unit
The type of character you play is vastly determined by the other professions that compliment ranger. Sure some skills are different, some are similar but you still aint a rogue if you can slap for crap and carry around a gun.
Vorpaks wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
On the point of Hunting, Ranger will now BE a second combat profession that can help you hunting. Think about that, you dont have to take up a second combat profession to help hunting, Ranger will fulfill that role.
I guess we will just have to wait until play testing to see.
You dont know how much the snare will be, so how exactly do you know what speed you will move with it on? That is the arguement the Jedi use for crying nerf and I would have thought it below you.
Amazingly, this does not insult me as much as you no doubt meant it to.
Actually, I did not mean to insult, those I have insulted know it, I do not hide behind veiled hints like some people might, I come right out and say "You are a **edit**" if indeed you are a **edit**. What I said was actually a backhanded compliment. Anyway look back to what you said above, we will have to wait and see how bad the snare is, and from the sounds of it, Rangers will be the quickest of all the stealthy types as we go up the skill trees.
I did read the skills of rnager when I mastered, unfortunately when I mastered the actual skills either didnt work as they were suppossed or, over time were degraded significantly (like camps).
If you stated it that way in the first place most of us who read it would not have felt offended by your tone. Stating things in a polite manner, especially in the forums, is important if you want people to truly understand your viewpoint, rather than just reacting to your tone. What I read is that you always expected Rangers to by spy-like and anyone who liked hunting camping and the other aspects was a pansy.
I always liked hunting, it was just not the ONLY thing I wanted to do with my character. Back when I started my Ranger/Pistoleer character, he could take on most things and either win or runaway but over time his skills were degraded so much he could barely run away from most things, excluding critters. As i said before, there was no "tone" in my post, i would come right out and say it. Why?, mainly because people would misunderstand if you tried to be clever in that manner.
My statement has as much validity as the "I have been a creature hunting ranger for more than 2 years and want to stay that way". At least I am not saying that 2/3 of the games content should be gated to others in the profession just to keep me happy.
No one is saying that 2/3 of the games content should be gated to others in the profession just to keep me happy. What they are saying is that they have been a Ranger for over 2 years, this revamp is not the way they wanted to see Ranger go. Later...
Actually your wrong there, when people say they wanted skills solely to increase the hunting capability of the Ranger they are saying they want it to remain gated to everything else, as it currently is.
There have been many goodbye posts over the years and very few of them have been flamed. Most of the repliesthatI have seen to these posts have been "good luck wherever you choose to go and good hunting." Not this. I personally was sad to see JB's goodbye post, knowing how long he has been a member of the community, even though I expected it was coming. I didn't expect to read it and see this kind of response, even knowing that all of JB's posts qualify as "imflamatory."
JB, no matter how many timesI have personally wanted to walk over and smack him sillyor wash his mouth out with soap, has always been a firm supporter of Ranger and proof that you can play and enjoy Ranger and "pwn" just about everything in the game. (Ok, so he would never use THAT term... my BH is showing!
) Not only a Ranger in-game, he was also a US Army Ranger in real life, and even had poo thrown at him by real howler monkeys in a jungle if I remember one of his stories right. I also remember telling someone that we respected JB (despite his tendency to reduce unsuspecting posters into a quivering gory mass), because he haddone everything in real life that we only pretended to do in game (or wished we could do in game). Regardless of any revamp, the profession and the forum will not be the same without him. Quieter and more polite maybe, but not the same.
QFE
What people should try to realise is, both camps (pardon the pun) get something out of this revamp.
Those that want the paramilitary style ranger get a paramilitary style ranger.
Those that want an ultimate hunter (would never have happened as it would be unbalanced) get the versatility lacking in ranger before in that they can choose to go master scout or master ranger and get stealth skills, and, traps that actually work plus combat mods that help improve their shootiness.
Everyone gets something, noone get everything, and noone gets nothing. However, if you are of the mentality that if you dont get everything you wanted then your leaving ranger you are a bit weird, after all youve been playing a ranger for a while and now your leaving cause your actually getting something, just not everything you wanted. That just seems childish to me.
Owen-Lars wrote:
Except for pulling my rogue doesnt run around with a rifle (or could it be carb) in his hands.
A rogue has always been a melee offensive giver, weak defenses and stealthy. Yeah some of the rangers skills contribute to that but its your template that would be a rogue, not just ranger on its own.
Ranger/Rifle = Sniper
Ranger/Commando = Demotitions
Ranger/Swords/Fencer = Rogue
Ranger/SL = Recon Unit
The type of character you play is vastly determined by the other professions that compliment ranger. Sure some skills are different, some are similar but you still aint a rogue if you can slap for crap and carry around a gun.
Whats Ranger/BH/plus some other ranged shooting then?
Cause thats what ill be!
Id say he would be a pathfinder if we ever get tracking back.
If not i would say Assasin.