Ranger Archive

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Phenix1050 wrote:

well, there were, if I remember correctly, also the Imperial Sector Rangers, and that first one does have "scout" in it's title. It's the general concept of people using wilderness skills in combat situations though. and I still haven't seen any evidense of any group with Ranger in the title that focused on killing animals.

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Yeah Phenix didnt you, or someone have a link to a webpage with a list of a load of SW spec ops with Ranger in hte title like the Imperial Sector and Toprawa etc.

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GothChip wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Kinshi wrote:
Im sorry not many 'Rangers' read this. It was a great read and insight into the Star Wars vision of Ranger.

I am sure to some, none of that matters because to them their Ranger vision is from Lord of the Rings and Western movies.

anyway, commentary aside, good job putting that all in one place. Thanks

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True, but, I have never really understood why you would want to play a fantasy character in a Star Wars game, would it not be better to play a fantasy character in a fantasy game and a star wars character in a star wars game.

But then lots of people playing this dont seem to understand the game. The amount of times ive been asked what kind of ship im flying beggars belief, especially considering they are A, X and Ywings that I fly!

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It's nothing to do with playing a fantasy character or a sci-fi character. Many Ranger envisioned themselves as explorers, going out into the wild hunting and taming wild beasts. A Pioneer is just as much sci-fi as a paramilitary (which to my mind is more RL thena sci-fi).

I've been here since beta and this is the vision Ranger has always been designed around. I can't understand why so many people chose to grind the profession and then claim it wasn't actually the professoin they were looking for, so instead of switching to smuggler/commando they whinged until they killed the Ranger for those who went out and played it as intended.

Message Edited by GothChip on 09-19-2005 10:26 PM

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What I dont understand is why so many choose to ignore the NPC/PC elements of the game play just to do creature related things, and why the obviously NPC/PC related elements of the Ranger profession get overlooked.

I mean the HTFB was orginally a part of the GCW in that you could requistion factional supplies from it, and it showed up on the overhead map.

I also dont understand why you would want Ranger to be the only combat type profession to not have ANY abilites that could affect NPCs or other players.

Again I dont understand those who claim Ranger as it stands is a combat profession when we have ZERO Ranger abilites that can actually do damage to anything.

And how can you totally ignore the GCW which is one of the largest elements of the game?

Above all esle I dont understand how anyone thought Ranger would get locked into a the 'Grizzly Adams' cliche being this is a Star Wars game and anyone can see what a big 'oopsie' SOE did in making Ranger a veritable clone of Scout

Fact is (again) you dont need Ranger whatsoever if you have Scout as it stands. Few care any about camo, no one ever cared about /rescue, and the only ones who cared about /areatrack were people who were doing the Hero quests, all the good traps are in Scout, not Ranger, no once cares about using camps while playing, they dont stand still long enough to get use of them

Bottom line the current design of Ranger is defective to a large degree, and Scouts abilities make it point less to have (unless all you really care about is harvesting bonuses)

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Kinshi wrote:
blah blah blah, ad nauseam, ad infinitum...

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Well - the glory of a multi-player game is that you don't have to play it a single way - it's literally your story, you can make of it what you want.

I myself am pretty excited about the new changes, as they are pretty much in line with how I've always tried to play my ranger. I think others, though, took what little Sony gave us and made out of it what theycould - big game hunter exploring far reaches of uncharted planets trying to figure out what that elusive 5th species of mantigrue is, etc....

I think that these rangersdeserve a lot of respect, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with them about the upcoming changes. Why? Because unlike other posters in this thread - *ahem*- they kept the master ranger title and didn't give it up for a paramilitary FOTM template when the going got rough.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

Message Edited by Iseult on 09-19-2005 08:15 PM

Did a little researchingfor thelist of Star Wars Rangers some of you areremembering :

Antarian Rangers

a para-military group based on several planets, the Antarian Rangers were formed by Marus Timpel and Kaskutal on Antar 4, some 600 years before the Battle of Yavin. The mission of the Antarian Rangers was simply to assist and aid the Jedi Knights in any way possible, although they were most often employed as front-line troops in battlezones. They were trained to be masters of any environment, in order to meet the various challenges assigned to them. The Jedi Council refused to comment on their position toward the Antarian Rangers, although they allowed it to continute to grow and expand over the years. Many individual Jedi valued their assistance and dedication, especially in situations where military force was needed. In the coming centuries, as the Jedi Order became more conservative and insular, they began to turn away from the use of separate organizations like the Antarian Rangers. This meant that the amount of work available to the Rangers began to diminish, and the organization was forced to drastically reduce its manpower. During the Clone Wars, the Antarian Rangers were able to briefly expand their efforts in support of the Jedi involvement in the war. Unfortunately, whole groups of Antarian Rangers were killed off, and many of the survivors scattered and went underground. Those that remained loyal to the Jedi found themselves hunted down as part of Emperor Palpatine's Jedi Purge, further reducing the organization's size and scope. Only a few groups managed to survive the Galactic Civil War, but they were openly sought out by Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. In the years following the Battle of Endor, the organization grew slowly, but proved to be invaluable during the formation and protection of the Great River during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion of the galaxy.

Dark Rangers

this was another name for the Renegades, those Kilian Rangers who succumbed to the Dark Side of the Force.

Galentro's Rangers

this was the name of the secret police and security force maintained by Galentro Heavy Works, as a way to protect its corporate leaders and assets.

Imperial Sector Rangers

this law enforcement agency was used by the Empire on various worlds where it could not extend full military force. Formed from the ranks of the original Sector Rangers, the Imperial Sector Rangers were sent in to establish order by eliminating rebellious activity.

Kilian Rangers

this was the term used to describe the small band of elite warriors which was established to protect the noble houses of Kilia IV. All members of the Kilian Rangers were sensitive to the Force, and were chosen for their skills in using it. The development of an individual Ranger was much different than that of a Jedi student, but there was similar emphasis on the development of their attunement to the Force. The Kilian Rangers were also similar to the Jedi Knights in that some of their membership fell prey to the Dark Side of the Force. These fallen Rangers became members of the Renegades.

Nebulon Rangers

this group of space pirates, led by Ssurussk, ambushed many cargo convoys in the Expansion Region of the galaxy during the early years of the New Order.

Sector Rangers

a loose association of local system police forces which filled the gaps in the galactic law enforcement system, the Sector Rangers were created by the planetary governors of the Old Republic. The Senate authorized the formation of the Sector Rangers in an effort to bring law enforcement to newly colonied worlds quickly and efficiently. The Jedi Knights couldn't be everywhere, so the Sector Rangers held sway in their own systems. When the Empire overthrew the Old Republic, many of the larger forces were usurped into the Imperial machine as the Imperial Sector Rangers. Others simply fell through the cracks, and remained separate enforcement agencies. After the Battle of Endor, the Sector Rangers continued to bring Imperial law to the worlds of the Outer Rim. The motto of the Sector Rangers read, "What others abandon, we protect."

Solonar Rangers

this was a group of para-military mercenaries who were active during the Galactic Civil War. They were easily distinguished by the blue-and-yellow coloration of their armor and vehicles.

Space Rangers

this was the name assigned to agents of the Intergalactic Law Agency.

Tasariq Rangers

originally formed by Imperial Governor Dem Keval, this was a mercenary police force used to maintain control of the Tasar System during the Galactic Civil War. Governor Keval was given little in the way of resources to keep the system in line, so he hired a group of Iotran mercenaries to patrol the system. He named the group the Tasariq Rangers to give them a measure of legitimacy

Trianii Rangers

an elite army of Trianii which is a highly-skilled legion of law enforcement officials. They are excellent marksmen, and can move with incredible stealth.

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Iseult wrote:

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Kinshi wrote:
blah blah blah, ad nauseam, ad infinitum...

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I think that these rangersdeserve a lot of respect, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with them about the upcoming changes. Why? Because unlike other posters in this thread - *ahem*- they kept the master ranger title and didn't give it up for a paramilitary FOTM template when the going got rough.

Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Carbineer
Bloodfin

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Amen, Kind of funny slamming rangers who would prefer something else from the one person who called for Rangers to absorbed by the Squad Leader profession because we would never see a revamp of any kind.

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AgonThalia wrote:

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Lorrowyn wrote:

That was a good read. man, you must have spent some decent amount of hours researching all that.

Good stuff.

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hehe nope, he's just a geek

(and i say that as i post on a sci-fi computer role-playing game website)

d'oh...

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ROFL

Hey thanks all...my first stickied post in two years in this game. I am honored.

Haha, we get another sticky

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ScoerFusou wrote:

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AgonThalia wrote:

while my heart is with the big game hunters, and the outdoorsman, i think that this new role for the ranger fits well with the star wars universe.

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I agree. I've always been a big fan of Rangers(trackers, hunters, outdoorsman, ect.) and other wilderness professions like CH and BE. Mostly because I am a hunter and an outdoorsman myself and its what I enjoy doing. When I first read all this garbage my heart dropped, but after thinking about it andreading a bit I have to admit that this vision of Ranger does fit into the Star Wars Universe better then the current. I will wait until the revamp and give it a shot, but I am not very big on PvP and this new style sounds very PvP geared. I've always said if I gave up Ranger I'd quit the game because its all I've ever wanted to do. I haven't decided what I'll do yet but this may be goodbye to a great community and a game that has pretty much been my life for 2 years.

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That was a good read. man, you must have spent some decent amount of hours researching all that.

Good stuff.

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coldreboot wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Kinshi wrote:
Im sorry not many 'Rangers' read this. It was a great read and insight into the Star Wars vision of Ranger.

I am sure to some, none of that matters because to them their Ranger vision is from Lord of the Rings and Western movies.

anyway, commentary aside, good job putting that all in one place. Thanks

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True, but, I have never really understood why you would want to play a fantasy character in a Star Wars game, would it not be better to play a fantasy character in a fantasy game and a star wars character in a star wars game.

But then lots of people playing this dont seem to understand the game. The amount of times ive been asked what kind of ship im flying beggars belief, especially considering they are A, X and Ywings that I fly!

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What you have to remember is, is that it's SOE that set the standard for what a Ranger is for two years, and that's what these players chose. It's all very well to change it to a Star Wars specific ranger - can't really argue with that. But you can't blame players for wanting the fantasy kind, because SOE promoted that form of Ranger from beta.

As for your second comment, first and foremost this is an MMORPG. Star Wars comes second. SOE have a responsiblilty to draw in players whether they are Star Wars fans or not, because they are in direct competition with other MMOs on the market. While some players may be here ONLY because it's Star Wars, that's only going to be a minority.

Knowing the films word for word is not a requirement to play this game.

Just my two cents.

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Posts like this actually make me feel good to be a ranger again.

Hey folks before we get too caught up in the definition of Ranger, lets be very careful.

Quote from an Etymological English Dictionary;

Rang'er - officer who superintends a forest or park;
a member of a body of mounted troops policing an area;
a member of a senior branch of the Girl Guide organisation!!!!!

I laughed so hard i thought i was going to lose a lung. The image of a bunch of girl guides taking on a Krayt or Gorax, with suitable camo and traps, to earn their Wilderness Survival badges!!!

Priceless. For everything else, there's SOE