Ranger Archive
Thread: Harvestor droid problems enough already
Ok may be every one can jump on the bandwagon with me for something.
The devs need to expose both the formula that determines our harvest and the formula that determines the droid bonus or lack there of. They have disclosed other formulas/rolls, its time they did so with this one.
I wonder have we ever even asked?
JBMat wrote:
First off, although I do think harv droids are crap, I did report this as a bug, and did it first, as it was late late late where Owen was. That was my responsibility as the Scout Corr. Done and done.
Here is what is has people riled up - Two problems, not one. One may be fixable, one we may have to live with.
1. Droids do not see group bonuses or nerfs. We all know why, let it rest. Can we get this changed - maybe. Not worth time and space debating, but damn we are gonna look stupid asking the Devs to fix a change we asked for. Really stupid, BH stupid even.
2. Droids grouped with a Master Ranger do not harvest as much as the Ranger does alone. If the little tin cans are hard coded to stop at 125 (the old max) then add in the veghash bonus, this is certainly true. Does anyone know this for a fact? Any numbers? I don't see any.
Situation one is of our own doing. If we get told to suck it up and have a nice day, we have no one to blame but ourselves for asking for the change in the first place. There are no counter arguments, we asked for it, we got. We can only hope for a freaking change, and were I a Dev, I would want the entire profession doing the "Monty Python mea culpa head bonk line" before I changed anything. I don't see this as a hotfix, more of waiting until the revamp. Be prepared to buy a brown cassock.
Situation twoappears to be a coding problem that may have been overlooked during the most recent changes. This I think should be looked into, but I am not gonna lower and demean myself to use a tin can to harvest. Have at it and get some numbers. Once done, and if the numbers support the thesis that the coding is gacked up (and remember, I think it is and said so) then Owen and I can ask for it to be hotfixed. No numbers, no hard facts, I can't do squat.
Yes, I still hate harvestor droids. So what? I also hate brussel sprouts and asparagus, but if there was a problem with either of those in the game, and someone took the time to do research and show how they were gacked up, I would respect the research and report the bugs.
Ok, you been challenged. Situation one at this time is moot. Let's fix situation two. All you number crunchers and math types go play and record stuff. Oh yeah, I also hate math, but straight out numbers don't lie.
JB
You're really arrogant. I don't appreciate the tone of this thread. You could have done a better job as a community leader. I'm disappointed in you.
Phenix1050 wrote:i don't know about that... "good cops" probably don't wake up in random foreign countries, nor venture to Amsterdam...
Man those are the only kinda cops I hang out with.
Daddy was an avid gun colletor. There for Daddy knew a lot of cops. Cool cops are really cool man. The cool ones are usualy the best at their jobs, or so it seems.
I've done things with cops I can't even talk about here.
Fodder650 wrote:
Actually that last line about trolling had NOTHING to do about you. It was meant for someone else. Sorry i should have put a /sarcasm tag around it. I wish I could remove it now. I had read another thread before coming into this one. And really I do apoligize for that. Im not acting like myself with that kind of grudge
But yes the numbers do show that the droids arent harvesting. But the question still remains on whether the droids are hitting a 125 cap or something else is causing the problem.
Message Edited by Fodder650 on 03-23-2005 02:15 PM
I didn't see it as it was directed diretly at me, so i accept your apology tough I think you didn't have to!
I tend to react to people the same way they treat me, to be honest 
The problem lies, I think, in 2 problems: both the cap at 125 and still the wrong harvesting formula.
To clarify my opinion, I'd like to point back to Phoenix' post about it.
Grouping with the droid itself should not add a bonus. But the harvesting skill the ranger has should be taken into account (grouped or not, vegash or not) and then the added bonus from droid. This is clearly broken.
Again, a rephrase: I don't wont want my droid to give me a bonus. That's just plain ridicilous. However, when I'm grouped, my knowledge (read group bonus) should apply when I send out my harvesting droid (after all I programmed it what it needs to get) and is more effective doing it then myself (droid bonus). This is not the case.
Pre-patch this _was_ working: the harvesting skill used was the 40% penalty (+vegash) and the additional droid bonus. So IMHO, the *functionality* has changed and this was unintentional.
Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 03-23-2005 09:13 PM
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
JB for you, as disbeliever
Ok. Some numbers then
Just outside Mos Eisley;
Harvesting Hide from Worrts (normal ones).
My CHBDroid: 109
Other person grouped with = a scout
My vegash: +30
Ranger solo (without vegash): 13
Ranger solo (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger grouped with droid (without vegash): 13
Ranger grouped with droid (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger grouped with other (without vegash): 16
Ranger grouped with other (without vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger grouped with other and droid (without vegash): 16
Ranger grouped with other and droid (without vegaHsh, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger solo (with vegash): 15
Ranger solo (with veghash, droid harvesting): 15
Ranger grouped with droid (with vegash): 15
Ranger grouped with droid (with vegash droid harvesting): 15
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash): 17
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger grouped with other and droid (with vegash): 17
Ranger grouped with other and droid (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
I can drawa few conclusions from these numbers:
1. Droid CHB is not working for the high CHB a MR has. It's capped and need looked at (look at the numbers where droid only gets 1 unit more).
2. If not grouped, even this extra +1 is nullified by using vegash. Droid harvests the same as the ranger (no bonus from droid).
3. When grouped with the scout, the droid definately is bugged.Even if the group bonus would NOT apply to the droid, the minimum the droid should get is 14 units (without vegash)/15 units with vegash! However I say that the droid should giveAT LEAST the same as the Ranger should get! Thus grouped the droid should get 15 units (without) and 17 units (with) as a minimum. However, a droid normally ADDs to the bonus and according to #1 and #2 above, this is already bugged.
4. The droid itself grouped or not is not the issue (AS IT SHOULD BE).
Pre-patch numbers I cannot give!
Woot! Thank you Dariane!
Actually Dariane you did give pre-patch numbers. I will bet alot that this result:
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Is in fact the same numbers you would have received if you had harvested using the droid while in a group with another player before the patch. (Holy confusing sentence batman!)In other words, the droid is still seeing the 40% reduction from pre-patch.
So the droids are definitely bugged in that aspect. The 125cap issue that Fodder is talking about is another question. I have to do some homework to figure it out - but maybe someone else knows more and can say right off the bat.
Ranger solo (without vegash): 13
Ranger solo (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger solo (with vegash): 15
Ranger solo (with veghash, droid harvesting): 15
I am assuming you are a Master Ranger with a harvesting mod of +150? And the veghash bumps it up to +180? (correct me if I am wrong, I've never paid much attention to the math involved with veghash - does it add directly to your mod?)
If you are a Master Ranger then you are still seeing a slight increase in your harvesting at +150. Somewhere I know there is a thread that explains exactly how much the droids harvesting mod affects your harvesting amount. Is the increase Dariane saw consistent with the bonus a 109 droid should give?
I'll look it up myself when I get home unless someone beats me to it.
Vorpaks wrote:
Somewhere I know there is a thread that explains exactly how much the droids harvesting mod affects your harvesting amount. Is the increase Dariane saw consistent with the bonus a 109 droid should give?
Message Edited by JascoSmlee on 03-23-2005 08:24 PM
Droid harvesting formula explained (well sorta): Clicky
Vorpaks wrote:
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
JB for you, as disbeliever
Ok. Some numbers then
Just outside Mos Eisley;
Harvesting Hide from Worrts (normal ones).
My CHBDroid: 109
Other person grouped with = a scout
My vegash: +30
Ranger solo (without vegash): 13
Ranger solo (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger grouped with droid (without vegash): 13
Ranger grouped with droid (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger grouped with other (without vegash): 16
Ranger grouped with other (without vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger grouped with other and droid (without vegash): 16
Ranger grouped with other and droid (without vegaHsh, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger solo (with vegash): 15
Ranger solo (with veghash, droid harvesting): 15
Ranger grouped with droid (with vegash): 15
Ranger grouped with droid (with vegash droid harvesting): 15
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash): 17
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Ranger grouped with other and droid (with vegash): 17
Ranger grouped with other and droid (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
I can drawa few conclusions from these numbers:
1. Droid CHB is not working for the high CHB a MR has. It's capped and need looked at (look at the numbers where droid only gets 1 unit more).
2. If not grouped, even this extra +1 is nullified by using vegash. Droid harvests the same as the ranger (no bonus from droid).
3. When grouped with the scout, the droid definately is bugged.Even if the group bonus would NOT apply to the droid, the minimum the droid should get is 14 units (without vegash)/15 units with vegash! However I say that the droid should giveAT LEAST the same as the Ranger should get! Thus grouped the droid should get 15 units (without) and 17 units (with) as a minimum. However, a droid normally ADDs to the bonus and according to #1 and #2 above, this is already bugged.
4. The droid itself grouped or not is not the issue (AS IT SHOULD BE).
Pre-patch numbers I cannot give!
Woot! Thank you Dariane!
Actually Dariane you did give pre-patch numbers. I will bet alot that this result:
Ranger grouped with other (with vegash, droid harvesting): 8
Is in fact the same numbers you would have received if you had harvested using the droid while in a group with another player before the patch. (Holy confusing sentence batman!)In other words, the droid is still seeing the 40% reduction from pre-patch.
So the droids are definitely bugged in that aspect. The 125cap issue that Fodder is talking about is another question. I have to do some homework to figure it out - but maybe someone else knows more and can say right off the bat.
Ranger solo (without vegash): 13
Ranger solo (without vegash, droid harvesting): 14
Ranger solo (with vegash): 15
Ranger solo (with veghash, droid harvesting): 15
I am assuming you are a Master Ranger with a harvesting mod of +150? And the veghash bumps it up to +180? (correct me if I am wrong, I've never paid much attention to the math involved with veghash - does it add directly to your mod?)
If you are a Master Ranger then you are still seeing a slight increase in your harvesting at +150. Somewhere I know there is a thread that explains exactly how much the droids harvesting mod affects your harvesting amount. Is the increase Dariane saw consistent with the bonus a 109 droid should give?
I'll look it up myself when I get home unless someone beats me to it.
And yes, I'm a Master Ranger
HB 111 Droid
hand 164, 164, 164, 164, 168, 169
droid 169, 169, 170, 170, 170, 174
This is the data that was asked for. I could point to many people here that probably got bad reading comprehension grades
I am never reading a post about Harvest Droids again.
Before I step out of the issue completely I would like to thank JB for reporting the possible bug in the functionality of these droids when grouped with players. Even if he has fanned the flames of discontent a bit.
Message Edited by agent156 on 03-23-2005 02:55 PM
What is the harvest rating of the droid you used?
agent156 wrote:
This post is about Harvest Droids and their functionality when a Master Ranger is not grouped with any other players. These are the amounts harvested from Mountain Squills over a large area. They numbers are presented in the order harvested. The first item in the the hand row was the first harvest, the first item in the droid row was the second harvest, Etc. I didn't take numbers with Veghash, but testing I did for my self (data lost) confirmed that it did stack with droids. Previous testing has shown that when not grouped with other players, being grouped or not being grouped with the droid has no effect on harvesting.
hand 164, 164, 164, 164, 168, 169
droid 169, 169, 170, 170, 170, 174
This is the data that was asked for. I could point to many people here that probably got bad reading comprehension grades
I am never reading a post about Harvest Droids again.
Before I step out of the issue completely I would like to thank JB for reporting the possible bug in the functionality of these droids when grouped with players. Even if he has fanned the flames of discontent a bit.