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Thread: My hopes for this game are gone.
Kinshi wrote:We Rangers have 2, count'em 2 specials in all of the Ranger tree (/conceal and /rescue). Only one of them is really useful (Im a Rifleman, the last thing I want is /rescue and aggro, I have enough of that already). The most useful Trap is found in Novice Scout.
Have you tried /rescue? It does nothing - absolutely nothing. No warm up, no cool down, no result. Hit it as much as you want, you won't get aggro.
frightwig wrote:
BioEngine wrote:
Maybe we should ask other correspondents what they do to get attention?
Because, they are doing it so well that we don't even get our traps fixed.
*Cough* Commandos, Smugglers, Squad Leaders.. Image designers, Musicians, Dancers.. all entertainers.. Droid engineers, anyone? The list goes on.. Rangers aren't alone, and never have been, in feeling a lack of substance and attention for their professions.
Who exactly are these professions/correspondents that are getting attention so well? (Apart from revamped combat professions, which was promised since shortly after the start of the game and only saw change 1 month ago).
I don't think it has anything to do with correspondents or how vocal the community is... We always read that Jedi/BH get changes because they whine and rant. That's complete nonsense.. Otherwise we'd see battlefields finally fixed!
Changes made have more to do with what the developers see as the priority, and what will have more of an affect to the overall game... not on which community/corr is the most vocal.
Corrs can only submit questions, bugs and issues and wait.. and wait.. for a response. Which is usually a "we definitely want to do this, but we don't have a timeframe" type answer. We've never had a ranger corr who didn't do this.. not to mention fight hard to be heard.. and I don't see how anything they could do would fix our problems any faster.
That is not entirely true. Droid Engineers had gotten two revamps prior to my leaving the game 7 months ago. Image designers got a revamp prior to the CU. Bio Engineers got a reworking of how they craft creatures although the CU set them backwards. Weaponsmiths and Armorsmiths have gotten additional content geared towards crafting, although again the cu has unfortunately effected them. Bounty Hunters got the skill point reduction they had been seeking (they ask for this long before the CU they got it in the CU). So while I agree not every profession has gotten the attention they deserve neither can we say that only 1 profession has gotten attention because that is just false. Ranger was promised changes by Green Marine, then we were promised changes in the CU by TH, then Tiggs responded to my question that the future should change my views on Ranger essentially getting ignored, and Fred Skinner posted in that same forum that he was confident we should see changes in 6 months or less and that was 7 months ago in the same thread that Tiggs responded to. But the simple fact that Calc is absolutely 100% correct in is that we can not and will not likely receive a revamp until after Squad Leader and Smuggler have gotten their revamps. Realistically we will be further behind than that because there are professions that need to be addressed that were greatly impacted by the CU such as doctor and med crafting (crafted CM meds are good but crafted DOC meds/buffs need additional thought/tweaking). Jedi is the money maker so it will always get attention (This is a fact everyone should accept it will not change). The problem with Ranger is that the devs do not know how to fixour profession likely because noone can agree what we should be. Some in this forum would like us to be super creature hunters others of us like myself and perhaps (GunFu) would prefer to see a Ranger that is more combat oriented along the lines of a Commando or shock trooper. How can we advance when we have our own split in view. Ranger can not be both unless it is mediocre at both. Creature Handlers are in the same boat. Talk about getting hit with a nerf hammer, when this game started MCHs were a force to be reckoned with. Tody there pets have been nerfed into oblivion and most MCHs are there because like us they enjoy the profession and try to make do. The best thing I did was step away from the game for 7 months because now I find myself just having fun again and enjoying the rp/social aspects of Ranger.
Uziel Elleirhiasi MBH/ Ranger 3444/ Squad Leader 0300.
Message Edited by Serraphin on 06-02-2005 01:59 PM
In terms of the game (and the fact that we are a prt of it) we are definately top 3 in need of and dererving attention. Smugglers and Suqad Leaders have a leg up on us, becuase we have been broken for a lot less time than they have, but we are broken none the less. (I still say we need a few hotfixes and we are in pretty good shap again.)
We need to be civil in our posting, but y'all have a right to be angry!
i've already done alot of reading today, so i'm sorry for basically skimming over all previous posts in this thread.
In response to what Calc Said about Jedi. He has a point. But, I for one did not by this game thinking about Jedi AT ALL!!!
Now, i'm playing the MOST EXPENSIVE PROFESSION IN THE GAME, and getting the least amount of attention. Other professions may be close to as useless as we are, but they all got more attention than we did, wether it be negative or positive attention(it's still attention).
We can can keep on "presenting logical ideas, with well presented evidence, in a well thought out manner" till we're blue in the face. isn't going to speed anything up.
for related info on why the "Ranger Way" of conducting forum business will get you NOWHERE, hop on over to the other thread about "good advice" or whatever, from Garva's post in the GCW.
Fodder650 wrote:
Actually the Kash kits came well after the CURB Calc. They werent added content like the WS's got. They were given to us for two reasons. First was that we were all screaming for them and saying "Um excuse me?!". And realistically we probaly got them to fulfill our new role as camo makers for artisans because THEY not us didnt have the complete set.
When they came out is irrelevant.
I guess my point is that if we say that WS got attention becuse they got some new schematics, the same could be said about us. It is totally wrong for Rangers to say that they have not seen any changes. No matter the logic is behind the following, we still got worked on: we got the group harvesting thing, we got CL from the CU, we got the Kash Camo kits, we got trapping and harvesting droids, etc. That adds up to a lot of changes (but admittedly litte functionality).
SickSix wrote:
i've already done alot of reading today, so i'm sorry for basically skimming over all previous posts in this thread.
In response to what Calc Said about Jedi. He has a point. But, I for one did not by this game thinking about Jedi AT ALL!!!
Neither did I, but, how many of the other 250, 000 subscriptions are for Jedi ambitions?
Now, i'm playing the MOST EXPENSIVE PROFESSION IN THE GAME, and getting the least amount of attention. Other professions may be close to as useless as we are, but they all got more attention than we did, wether it be negative or positive attention(it's still attention).
We can can keep on "presenting logical ideas, with well presented evidence, in a well thought out manner" till we're blue in the face. isn't going to speed anything up.
Sadly, neither will ranting and raving (I am not pointing any fingers, I am addressing the Ranger community with this statement). In fact, I suspect that will slow down our progress.
for related info on why the "Ranger Way" of conducting forum business will get you NOWHERE, hop on over to the other thread about "good advice" or whatever, from Garva's post in the GCW.
Aalob Alarios Me too but i still see it happening im afraid. I havnt heard anything is going to happen but you know, i have a feeling in the wind :/
Hopefully our sp will stay the same and we will get a revamp worthy of the investment.
Owen-Lars wrote:
Me too but i still see it happening im afraid. I havnt heard anything is going to happen but you know, i have a feeling in the wind :/
Hopefully our sp will stay the same and we will get a revamp worthy of the investment.
We can only hope. I just hope they keep it combantant. But, of course being a former ranger I see this profession different than most. I didnt get ranger to be a outdoorsman/skinner. I became ranger for the hopes of our skills going more toward SpecOps (concealment, stalking the enemy, you know, ranger stuff). it just seems this ranger is geared more towards the ranger types you would see in a fantasy game like lord of the rings, lol.
I agree but as our combat skills are ramped up there needs to be a corresponding reduction in harvest mods.
GunFu wrote:
All we really need for right now is a hotfix (skill point reduction, accuracy and speed mods, and defense mods). That would atleast help us survive until the real revamp. They did it to all the other professions that are getting revamped before us, so why not us?
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
GunFu wrote:
Why are we even waiting this long? When anything is wrong with jedi the devs fix it right away, are we not as important as jedi?
Wow...time to face a harsh reality. How many people do you think bought this game thinking...I want to be a Ranger more than anything else? How many people think that Rangers are a SW Icon?
Now replace Ranger with Jedi and I think you will see your answer.
Well you could argue when there were no jedi, there was no reason to ignore ranger then! Since then Ranger hasnt been ignored! If it was ignored it wouldnt have changed, however every patch removes or breaks a little bit of the skills that make rangers unique!